SleepingSilence

What Are You Listening To?

Because its fucking humid/hot in my apartment. <.<

And now I found something else. Might have to give this more time.

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@Awson Never meant to cause frustration in the first place. I'm okay with being done, I sort of already acknowledged it was just two people with different perspectives. Thanks for engaging in the discussion. :3

Current Mood in One Gif

Got a bunch of groceries and was able to give my mom her mother's day gift early. Now I may play some games or work on the novel I've brainstormed on and yet to start. So...yeah.

would you sell your ability to dream for $100k

My dreams are usually mundane arguments or discussions that just haven't happened yet...the few interesting ones I do have are all forgotten nearly instantly after I wake up and all the weird ass dreams I had was back in my childhood.

So screw it, gimme that 100K baby.

Ban the Person above you

Banned for necromancy.

What Are You Listening To?

Two people in a fight to the death. One of them has a wooden baseball bat, the other has a six inch knife. Who wins?

Whoever rolls the highest on their D20.

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Oh my, this wasn't suppose to be an argument in the first place. But this is so bad I have to address this point first.

As for your points about the logic of it -- because it was entertaining. Those aren't even strictly plot holes. Why did they waste the gasoline? Because they had his breeders, which were very important. Why did they have a guitarist shooting flames?The same reason armies have drummer boys.

@Awson

Yes, it is. There wasting a precious fuel source on something completely unnecessary. It's cool for the audience, but that doesn't exist in the movies world...And holy shit that last analogy, instead of just repeating. "That analogy DOES NOT WORK!" one hundred times. No, armies used drums for morality. (and drums don't burn fuel which is integral for humanities survival in the post apocalypse.) The guitarist shooting flamethrowers out of his guitar on a sound stage that had to cost an absurd amount of money to maintain and the flames cost a shit load of gasoline this entire WORLD doesn't have a lot off. And they had so many vehicles chasing them down, when more people probably could of fit on less cars.

The story was not a masterpiece. And that's okay. :)

@Awson

Okay good, doesn't need a defense then. Because it had no story. I'd argue again, the characters are weak and unimportant which makes the story fail. But you seem to like the very little character interaction...

I guess I'll go through the characters. I'd let you say little growth, but none?

Max and Furiosa: No trust, to trust. Max has a nice moment where he goes against convention and doesn't stay with them. Furiosa's dream of paradise is destroyed, she accepts the Citadel as her home.

Nux: Mindless drone, dreams crushed, abolishes his idol

@Awson

But why did those things happen, why? Why was there no trust and then trust? Why did someone who was brainwashed for decades, randomly turn heel on some random day? What was their motivations? There was like 100 characters, how about mad max? The title of the damn movie. What was his point? What did he accomplish in the movie? What was his arc? :I

John Wick has a pretty normal structure. Not totally comparable.

@Awson

As an action film, I'd argue it did a better job with it's characters, action, setting, world building and was a better movie overall.

The whole thing being one car chase is strange, huh? That's not inherintly a bad thing.

@Awson

You make it sound like you'll deny it, but you don't. And it was a problem for this movie. (Imo)

This was your best point so far. I'm gonna go with....... you were happy with the fact that it was at least trying to have a normal story?

@Awson

The story sucked, but it was pretty to look at...

Like I said, nothing wrong with liking something purely on it's artistic merit. Well that's kind of the only point this was suppose to be, you're saying it's a masterpiece, I say it sucks. And we can both be right, because it was a personal experience. But even comparing Avatar, it's locations and settings changed constantly and it made the movie better visually because of it...

People do and will get tired of the same thing over and over again. (usually.) Not all style over substances movies will draw you in and it just didn't work for me. Simple as that.

I don't know what you're talking about. It happens in a lot of movies. Few people say it. Some of those people who do say it, say it matters culturally in addition to being good. Is that so hard?

@Awson

You say is that so hard, yet don't seem to understand my simple concept and confusion with you're sometimes/all bullshit statements being made one after the other.

So, yes that's correct. But it ALSO has people that SOLELY (meaning only like the movie, not based on ANYTHING else other than political reasons.)

You're only proving more that you didn't get it. The point is that the superb action and visuals are enough to make story less important than usual. That's an argument for the lightness of it.

@Awson

I don't know how many times I can say, "not giving two shits what the characters are doing" was this biggest flaw in the movie and not the story itself. But I said it again. :/ I DO GET IT, I HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION, THOSE THINGS EXIST. YOU CAN THINK ITS GOOD AND I CAN NOT, AND NEITHER ONE IS INSTANTLY MARKED AS "DON'T GET IT". YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW THIS. >.<

Because I know that cherry-picking reviews is pointless.

@Awson

Not when you bring them up in the first place! It's called lazyness at best. :/

NO I DIDN'T. I SAID THAT IF YOU WERE PREDISPOSED TO DISLIKE OUTDOOR SURVIVAL MOVIES, REGARDLESS OF THEIR CONTENT, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE MOST LIKELY REASON SOMEONE WOULD DISLIKE IT.

@Awson

Not a single person on this god forsaken planet dislikes movies because of outdoor shots! :I I get people that may be genre buffs or people that don't like genres, or actors, or the like. But no human being actually gives two shits about movies shot outdoors...The point is, that means absolutely nothing. Is that really all you can think of, of why someone may not like the story? How about?

• How good is the soundtrack?
• Is the acting good?
• Is the story/character decisions believable?
• Is it super gory?
• Is it a thinking man's movie?
• Is it a heavily symbolic movie?
• Is the movie super realistic?
• Is the movie really action heavy?
• Does this movie have any super good moments?
• Is this movie a slow-burner?
• Does this movie have an environmental message?
• Does a dog die in it?
• Is there some kind of twist?

THERE'S A SHITLOAD OF QUESTIONS NOT ANSWERED BY IT BEING "AN OUTDOORSY SURVIVAL MOVIE."

You told me that you weren't going to try, and now you're acting like you actually did try. :I

It's not egregious to disagree with the majority. It's egregious to misunderstand or misrepresent the majority.

@Awson

Yet that wasn't really clear beforehand. And I didn't. :/ You said some, I never said/meant all. And almost instantly clarified it wasn't directed at you. (which automatically means, not everyone because you are someone.)

Edit: You also technically said majority/not everyone. So misread, but point being majority of reviews I've read, do bring up the feminism aspect of the movie, even if it's to discredit it. It's not a fringe. One of the primary actors was a feminist activist and said she wanted to influence the movie in interviews. It's not out of nowhere. :/ But I'll concede that's in the weeds and not the point. Message or not, you liked it regardless and I disliked it regardless.

The rest can be summed up with, I agree to disagree. :/

The 'Explain The Appeal Of......' Thread

Explain the appeal of League Of Legends (serious)

@Dynamo Frokane

If you said, "Mobas" I could answer with a little more clarity. But League of Legends? Specifically, honestly compared to almost any other MOBA it completes with. That would be a good question, because in my opinion aside from sheer amount/excess (and the cost that excess makes you suffer through.) it's inferior to most other experiences.

But. Things get popular for a reason, so maybe the answer I have. It's the most simplified/streamlined MOBA experience you could have. It's just easy to play, it's free to play and it's a team game that doesn't require as much time as an MMO. In fact a lot of sessions are quicker than most games. But you can also be good enough to carry a game yourself and it's not entirely team reliant. It's a unique experience for those who haven't played it. And gamers can enjoy themselves a unique experience. They also have some interesting character designs and some people can maybe enjoy the varied art style that it has.

Kids need games too ya know? :/

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Okay, some of this discussion needs a little unpacking...

Disclaimer: Stuff is my opinion

Almost every movie has people trying to spin it in a social or cultural way. There are people who praise Fury Road for its "feminism," but that doesn't mean that they only liked it for solely that reason. Those people are the minority anyway.

@Awson

Almost every movie has people trying to spin it in a social or cultural way.

@Awson

Those people are the minority anyway.

@Awson

Okay now I get what you were trying to say in relation to these statements, but you have to admit. Saying "minority of people" followed by "it happens all the bloody time by everyone" seems eye brow raising. But what you meant was, "yes, it happens to a lot of movies. But it's usually the same minority of people who are politically charged people." That's clearer. However...

There are people who praise Fury Road for its "feminism," but that doesn't mean that they only liked it for solely that reason.

@Awson

This implies that NO ONE liked the movie solely because of its political message. But I can you again, that isn't true. And you admitting previous sentence that it's the minority, at least grants me that it DOES happen. But this sentence disregards the whole thing.

First part is still bullshit.

@Awson

Like this one did previously. Is it true or not? It can't be both.

Some people.

@Awson

Again, contradiction. You say it's all bullshit in some of it and then you say it's some people. And I didn't imply everyone...But I've made that abundantly clear, you didn't read my statement if you believed otherwise.

It's not absurd, actually. The audio and visuals are very important for this movie. The visuals, especially. And it was a mere possiblity, among many, for people not getting what's good about the movie.

@Awson

Most things you mentioned about the movie were the "they just don't get it" which is kind of insulting since the movie was so stupidly basic/plotless. But, most people "got" what they were watching, they were just questioning, why a post apocalypse where gasoline is super expensive, do they waste as much on this absurd chase as possible and have a giant sound stage set up with a guitarist shooting flames. >.>

There are also articles that say it's good and say nothing about feminism.

@Awson

:I

Ya know, it would make a point just a wee bit stronger, if you even provided ONE link when you say that. -.-

But, I'm sure there's one that exists in the either. It's the internet after all, but there's plenty that hated the movie too. For no reason you mentioned previously. Like I did. :/

PURE SPECULATION: And you don't hear anybody say "I don't like limited dialogue" because when that's true, what actually comes out is "The story was shallow." You wouldn't know that you didn't like that. Most people don't truly understand themselves.

@Awson

:I

Stories can be shallow, regardless of dialogue. (it depends on the strength of the dialogue present.) If you try to argue this story is a masterpiece, I'd love you to explain, how. You can't. Because it wasn't.

I liked the Avatar (the blue cat one) in theaters, but it wasn't because of the story. So I'm not opposed to liking beautifully shot cliches. But admitting that is the first step.

99% of movies you see have plenty of dialogue. And they make sure the story is said out loud, crystal-clear. Some will certainly dislike a movie because it goes against this common pattern. The truth is, that the amount of verbal storytelling has no bearing on whether a movie is good or not. Hell, the amount of ANY storytelling has little bearing on whether a picture is good (this is the hard part). An action movie with little story can still be a good movie. It's perfectly fine for the story to take a backseat to action. Normally, I don't particularly like movies like this, but Fury Road happens to have THE MOST WELL-MADE ACTION in any movie I've ever seen. And I liked the aesthetic and characters. I liked everything about it, really.

I believe that since you were expecting more verbal story, the "trite" dialogue between characters stood out as bad because it notably lacked what you wanted it to have.

@Awson

I liked John Wick. So, uh yeah no. :/ I agree that PLOT isn't the most important thing in a story. It's the characters. No one would make superhero movies about batman and superman if all there was to those characters was their powers. John Wick made me CARE about the carnage I was watching, it actually did a good job hooking you in and wasting no time. It was a far smarter movie and more interesting as an action flick. :/ The dialogue that the movie did have, WAS trite. Is was redemption that had no context or meaning or point, and took the story no where. There was no character depth, arcs or growth. There was no interesting world building, (unlike John Wick.) The action, was literally ONE chase scene and location for nearly the whole 2 hour movie.

The first thing I said is The Revenant is good, as long as you don't dislike outdoorsy survival movies.

The problem is that I never said or even implied that it being outdoorsy was all it had going for it. You brought up The Grey as a singular example of a movie like that which you didn't like, and then said some dumb shit. So yes, "nonsense."

@Awson

Not gonna try very hard to convince you to see The Revenant. I'll say that it's probably the hardest for someone to dislike out of my list up there. As long as that person is okay with outdoorsy, survival movies.

@Awson

All you gave me, was it can't be disliked if someone liked outdoor survival movies. That's all you said, and I gave you an example of another one of those movies. I knew that it wasn't the same, but what you gave me, wasn't remotely helpful. Even if it's somehow one of "those" movies, that it's hard to explain why it's good. You could at least -say- that. :/

I was never saying that you're completely surrounded by like-minded people. Just that you may echo off of one or two of them. I judge my "general consensus" on lots and lots of sources. I carefully weigh each one as well. It's kind of an obsession of mine. It just seemed to me like you mostly go off of yourself and a few friends.

@Awson

I don't know how you got that, since not only did I mention I DON'T actively go see movies more often than not...I also brought up my family as well. So, definitely not the case. Also from you're post about judging something based on outliers being a bad thing, you seem like you pick whatever the popular consensus is. Which I guess can't be true, if you're telling me about the problems of bandwagons. (that, believe me I'm aware.) Also you don't like GOTG2 Which again, makes me question why it's egregious to disagree with the majority.

Let's not go into this one.

@Awson

I'd almost be interested to see someone argue, that art quality isn't/can't be subjective. If I knew if wasn't futile. :I

Edit: Sorry if this comes off too impolitely, was grumpy because I haven't ate. Rectified that. :I