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@KoL Also, even if Artoria didn't, her bunny ears sense danger.

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@TheWindel Mystery reasons was me paraphrasing what KoL said. I was thinking fall back and regroup, but KoL said the Machina would insta-win if the demons left the building.

But regardless, it's all moot if Eos' attack kills us all anyay.

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@Lmpkio

1. Eos is the core. Bust her and the facility will be nonfunctional for however long it takes her to respawn. Also, the Machina as a country will be nonfunctional, and should largely cease to be as a faction. So, methinks that one isn't happening.

2. Artoria tried that like, 3-4 times and got told "Nope. It too big for you."

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@Lmpkio Fran's there too, but we still don't have a counter to Eos. A quick check shows that I've had Artoria dump her full power into four separate attacks now. While her regeneration can restore her energy, another one or two of those, which still isn't enough to even phase or distract Eos, and her heart will literally explode from the abuse. Henrietta's been using her silver eyes all over the place. Mephila's running off her pain inhibitors...

As I said, we'd need a hell of a plan.

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@Lucius Cypher All that Artoria's victory did was rescue some demonic characters. We didn't consider it a victory for the Angels when Diana killed herself so that she went back to Heaven.

And KoL already confirmed that if the Demons back out now, the Machina win because of mystery reasons. (Me thinking the mystery reason being Ciel being the only non-machina character left on the board at that point.)

Also, Artoria stole one of three prototypes. Unless for some idiotic reason Eos forgot to make backups or forgot how she made the prototype, she can just make another one. Artoria can't because it's made out of materials she doesn't have with technology and infrastructure she doesn't have.

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Well, I really still don't think the Machina are hurting. But I've said my piece in this post and the ones above. I think I should let it rest.

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@Lucius Cypher The battle that Artoria prevented from happening doesn't really count. And unless floodtalon pulls of some serious tactical genius, the Machina have this one.

Which puts the record at 2/6. Which is 1/3. ONE of the THREE factions, will have a 1/3 win rate. How unfair.

The Angels will have a 1/3 win rate, but in the narrative, one of those wins was completely reversed by the events of Alt Signia.

The Demons will have a 1/3 win rate, but in the narrative, one of those wins was completely reversed by Hibiki reclaiming Bastion at Ruthuria. And one of those wins (Arcadia) was completely fucking pointless.

So, let's talk about actual objectives that had Meaning:
Bastion was the focus of the first battle.
Ruthuria Treasure was the focus of Ruthuria, Alt Signia, and KC-00032
Hoho favors was the focus of her battle.
Arcadia was a territorial hissyfit.

Which puts the win rate at:
Machina 2/3
Angels 1/3

Notice though, that I'm not asking for a demon buff. We've got plenty of power. We're just idiots.

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@KoL How many battles did the Machina lose because they militarily lost?

Elicitor, the Queen's Treasure: They were the last forces standing, but Victoire stole the treasure.
Ruthuria: They had the best remaining forces, but Dora kited them while capping objectives.
Alt Signia: They won.
Hohenheim: Literally nothing anyone did mattered because the Angels drew all the cards right.
Arcadia: They were about to win because heaven and hell were on the brink of defeat, and then Victoire's roses killed everyone.
Rescue Mission: Artoria rescued the people before this even became a battle.
KC-00032: Looks like they're going to win, unless floodtalon has a cool plan.

None of these battles were lost because the Machina lacked fighting power. They've only lost because of Bad Luck (Hoho), Lack of Teleport Blockers (Elicitor), getting outmaneuvered by a person with a half-broken airship (Ruthuria), and Victoire (Elicitor, Arcadia).

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@KoL In fact, if I was to pick a faction that was too weak in this fight, I'd pick the Angels. Remove the GM characters, and people who ditched for RL/conflict reasons, and you have our battlefield line up from this battle it'd be...

Miyu and Eve. What a staggeringly potent roster.

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@KoL I really do disagree that the Machina are too weak.

In this battle, the only time the Angels and Demons fought each other was when Eve divebombed Henrietta. That's literally one case. Every other attack was Machina vs Demon or Machina vs Angel.

Unless floodtalon comes up with a plan, the Machina are about to have just beaten Heaven and Hell's combined forces, with only scratch damage to the objective they're supposed to defend, while only having lost the Cloud from player loss, and maybe Grafdakka.

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@TheWindel But what if he wants to run a corporation selling demon steel weapons on the side and keep a harem of angels and have lots of children across the planes? It's been established that's an important enough reason to leave the nexus. :P