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@Kost Alterindependent action on a non archer in my opinion is already a big deal if you want it I'd tone it down to C at most. You're trying to take skills from other classes which is generally a big no.

@vancexentan

Also, Independent Action is present in assassins as well as archers. Even at Rank A.

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Yeah, it's probably not gonna work on Jeanne, like... at all. She's a good girl!

On the subject of replacing Oblivion Correction with a more suitable skill, would a Rank A of Independent Action be reasonable, or is it too high?

@Kost Alter

Rank A is pretty high. That is the equivalent of lasting a week without a master. She could probably have rank B: Two days if mana is conserved.

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I did give justification of why she has it without being an Avenger. In addition, canon servants have had skills unique to other classes before, like Saber Gilles having Mad Enhancement, or Elizabeth Bathory having Territory Creation. However, if it's an issue, I can either replace it with something else or remove it altogether.

As for my second Noble Phantasm, I have edited it to remove the confusing "insanity" aspect completely. Now it's more raw power, which will make it much easier to regulate, imo

revised Noble Phantasm

Name: Erinyes, the She-Dogs of Fury

Quote: "Hear the plight of I, Clytemnestra. I am my soul, which calls to you. Do what you are. Your work. She-Dogs of Fury! ERINYES!"

Rank: B++

Type: Anti-Unit

Range: -

Description: The Erinyes (also known as the Furies) are female chthonic deities of vengeance who tracked down egregiously impious wrongdoers with their hound’s noses and tormented them to death. They are Wraith-like Divine Spirits from the Age of Gods, with snakes for hair, dog's heads, coal-black bodies, bat's wings, and bloodshot eyes. In their hands they carry brass-studded scourges, and their victims die in torment.
Clytemnestra’s compatibility as a Heroic Spirit of Vengeance makes her suitable for invoking the Erinyes as a Noble Phantasm, much like she did in her myth. At that moment, her target will become "cursed". The Erinyes will gather all around them and assualt them from the shadows, lashing at them with their scourges and tearing at their skin with their sharp talons. Their effectiveness and the amount of damage they can do is dependent on how geared towards Evil or the Chaotic their victim’s alignment is, or how much that person has committed deplorable crimes in life. The Noble Phantasm’s Rank receives boosts accordingly.
The Erinyes are independent Spirits possessing what equates to a Rank EX of Presence Concealment, thus making it very difficult to predict their attacks and guard against them. Skills like Magic Resistance can lessen this curse's impact, provided their Rank is high enough. Having high defensive parameters, or possessing Skills that enhance endurance can also help lessen the damage and sustain oneself for a longer period of time than otherwise. However, if the curse is not lifted in an amount of time dependent on how capable the victim is of resiting it, they will ultimately die in agonizing pain and torment.
Once the Erinyes have found a victim to torment, they will never leave them in peace, even if Clytemnestra herself dies. For somebody to get freed completely from their curse, they would need to first pay penance for the crimes the Erinyes are accusing them of and make peace with themselves. Entering a place of holiness (such as a church) can also force the Erinyes to retreat temporarily.

old version (for comparison)

Name: Erinyes, the She-Dogs of Fury

Quote: "Hear the plight of I, Clytemnestra. I am my soul, which calls to you. Do what you are. Your work. She-Dogs of Fury! ERINYES!"

Rank: B++

Type: Anti-Mind

Range: -

Description: The Erinyes (also known as the Furies) are female chthonic deities of vengeance who tracked down egregiously impious wrongdoers with their hound’s noses and drove them to insanity. They are Wraith-like Divine Spirits from the Age of Gods, with snakes for hair, dog's heads, coal-black bodies, bat's wings, and bloodshot eyes.
Clytemnestra’s compatibility as a Heroic Spirit of Vengeance makes her suitable for invoking the Erinyes as a Noble Phantasm, much like she did in her myth. However, they are not used as a weapon in the traditional sense. Rather, they are treated as a powerful curse. Since their role is simply to torment and hound relentlessly, their victim’s death will usually come as a result of insanity leading to excessive self-harm and/or suicide. In addition, their effectiveness or ineffectiveness is dependent on how geared towards Evil or the Chaotic their victim’s alignment is, with the Noble Phantasm’s Rank receiving boosts accordingly.
After being called upon, the Erinyes will manifest inside the target’s own mind, hence this Noble Phantasm’s classification as “Anti-Mind”. Since they cannot be “seen” by anyone other than the person they’re tormenting, to an outsider it would appear as if that person is “going mad”. However, since the Erinyes and the torment their accusations can cause are still very real, this curse is in no way a form of mental interference Thaumaturgy, therefore Skills or abilities that would protect against such a thing will have no effect here.
Once the Erinyes have found a victim to torment, they will never leave them in peace, even if Clytemnestra herself dies. For somebody to get freed completely from their curse, they would need to first pay penance for the crimes the Erinyes are accusing them of and make peace with themselves. Entering a place of holiness (such as a church) can also force the Erinyes to retreat temporarily.

@Kost Alter

If they are doing damage it is impossible for presence concealment to be EX as that involves becoming one with the world itself. And attacking removes presence concealment. Furtherly if they are doing solid damage then they should be killable. Thirdly invoking the Erinyes should be more complex then a simple chant. In Erinyes need a conviction to be set on someone after all. The cursed must first be seen as wicked. Perhaps add a limit that she must observe them comitting murder (links to the erinyes being personifications of the murdered) which isn't hard if she stays concealed. Then the curse can be invoked. As it is a curse that can even outlast the inflictors life.

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If you want, I can make a Master for your Rider,and maybe you can make a Master for my Assassin. Hooray for teamwork!

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Hmmmm... I'll admit, the Anti-Mind part was mainly meant to make it sound "cooler", but I suppose I can just as easily change it to Anti-Unit if I must.

Fate has plenty of insane characters, yes, but I think there's a difference between "Mwahahahaha" insanity and "I wanna gouge my own eyes out" insanity. In the case of Mad Enhancement, it was suggested by the GM that a high enough Rank would make them mostly unaffected, since at that point they'd just be mindless machines.

As for Magical Resistance, I suppose a high enough Rank could lessen their influence. The GM has the final say in any of those points.

From a gameplay perspective, yes, there are probably various ways to defend, I just couldn't think of all of them. Seeing how we actually do have a Berserker among the cast (and with a high Rank of ME to boot), this could be relevant if they end up fighting in the RP, so you did well by bringing this up in the earliest stages.

EDIT: On second thought, the whole "madness" aspect of this Noble Phantasm seems to have caused a fair amount of confusion, and I don't want to cause any problems here. I think I'll try to revamp my Noble Phantasm and change how it works in a way that's less confusing than what I currently have. I just need @vancexentan to first say whether the rest of my Servant sheet is okay or not, so I know which parts I'll need to rewrite. Thank you in advance.

@Kost Alter

The reason why I asked is because Kiyohime even with EX madness enhancement is not a mindless machine So I thought it was necessary to ask.

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In regards to anyone else I can put my hand forward as a Master if necessary.

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Here's my custom Servant for this:

Assassin

Class Name: Assassin

Appearance

True Name

Clytemnestra

Nicknames: The Woman Who Slew a King

Alignment: Lawful Neutral

Servant of: N/A

Catalyst For Summon

Viable catalysts include Remains of the Trojan Horse (used for all Servants connected in any way to the Trojan War), Remains of Hippolyta's Axe, or The Mask of Agamemnon.

Weapon(s): Her axe (which is also one of her Noble Phantasms), a veil that she uses as a net.

Wish

Despite her vengeful nature, if Clytemnestra ever got the Holy Grail, her only wish would be to see her daughter Iphigenia again.

Class Skills:

Presence Concealment (Rank: B)

The capacity to hide one's presence as a Servant. Suitable for spying. It is possible to disappear and become extremely difficult to be detected. The Rank of Presence Concealment drops considerably when preparing to attack.

Oblivion Correction (Rank: B+)

Because of Clytemnestra’s feelings of resentment over her daughter Iphigenia’s sacrificing lasting for well over 10 years, she qualifies for summoning under the Avenger Class. In fact, her grudge is evidently so strong that even when summoned under the Assassin Class, she possesses the Oblivion Correction Skill, which is normally unique to Servants of the Avenger Class. After all, “an Avenger never forgets”. The damage value of critical attacks is higher than other Servants.

Personal Skills:

Charisma (Rank: D)

A composite Skill consisting of a person's charm as well as the natural talent to command or unify an army or country. Increases the ability of allies during group battles. Having been the Queen of Mycenae during her lifetime, Clytemnestra naturally possesses this Skill. However, its Rank is quite low due to the people of Mycenae’s scorn over her sacrilegious actions, including the killing of their celebrated King.

Divinity (Rank: E-)

Despite Clytemnestra being born from human parents, her sister, the famous Helen of Troy, was said to have been fathered by Zeus, who appeared to her human mother in the form of a swan, seducing and impregnating her. Clytemnestra possesses a miniscule Rank of Divinity by being born from the same womb as Helen.

Hand Guided by Justice (Rank: A)

Clytemnestra’s personal Skill. It encompasses the unyielding belief that the self acts on a higher sense of justice, making all their actions “right” by default. Clytemnestra views herself not as a “petty woman” for her crimes, but as an instrument of that very justice. Servants possessing this Skill will always have a Lawful Neutral alignment, regardless of their actions. Makes it highly possible to completely resist charming, suggestion, temptation, mental corruption or alignment-altering magic.

Base Parameters:
Strength: E
Endurance: D
Agility: B
Magical Power: D
Good luck: B+
Noble Phantasm: B

Noble Phantasm 1

Name: Labrys, the Axe that Slew a King

Quote: N/A

Rank: C

Type: Anti-Unit

Range: 1

Description: A ceremonial, double-bitted axe used by Clytemnestra to slay her husband Agamemnon. According to Greek myth, it is actually the legendary axe of the Queen of Amazons, Hippolyta, and has been wielded by remarkable Heroes of the Age of Gods, including Heracles. Had it materialized as the Noble Phantasm of a stronger Servant, its Rank and relative power would have been a lot higher. However, Clytemnestra, who was never trained as a warrior, in addition to being summoned under the weaker Assassin Class, is unable to unlock its full potential.
One of the armaments Clytemnestra is summoned with as a Servant is her special veil, which she calls “Imatio Thanatou”, aka “the cloth of death”, the cloth net she used to entangle Agamemnon before killing him. Clytemnestra can combine that net with her Noble Phantasm to great effect, making up for her lack of raw power. Trapped in the web, the target can neither escape nor resist their murderer.

Noble Phantasm 2

Name: Erinyes, the She-Dogs of Fury

Quote: "Hear the plight of I, Clytemnestra. I am my soul, which calls to you. Do what you are. Your work. She-Dogs of Fury! ERINYES!"

Rank: B++

Type: Anti-Mind

Range: -

Description: The Erinyes (also known as the Furies) are female chthonic deities of vengeance who tracked down egregiously impious wrongdoers with their hound’s noses and drove them to insanity. They are Wraith-like Divine Spirits from the Age of Gods, with snakes for hair, dog's heads, coal-black bodies, bat's wings, and bloodshot eyes.
Clytemnestra’s compatibility as a Heroic Spirit of Vengeance makes her suitable for invoking the Erinyes as a Noble Phantasm, much like she did in her myth. However, they are not used as a weapon in the traditional sense. Rather, they are treated as a powerful curse. Since their role is simply to torment and hound relentlessly, their victim’s death will usually come as a result of insanity leading to excessive self-harm and/or suicide. In addition, their effectiveness or ineffectiveness is dependent on how geared towards Evil or the Chaotic their victim’s alignment is, with the Noble Phantasm’s Rank receiving boosts accordingly.
After being called upon, the Erinyes will manifest inside the target’s own mind, hence this Noble Phantasm’s classification as “Anti-Mind”. Since they cannot be “seen” by anyone other than the person they’re tormenting, to an outsider it would appear as if that person is “going mad”. However, since the Erinyes and the torment their accusations can cause are still very real, this curse is in no way a form of mental interference Thaumaturgy, therefore Skills or abilities that would protect against such a thing will have no effect here.
Once the Erinyes have found a victim to torment, they will never leave them in peace, even if Clytemnestra herself dies. For somebody to get freed completely from their curse, they would need to first pay penance for the crimes the Erinyes are accusing them of and make peace with themselves. Entering a place of holiness (such as a church) can also force the Erinyes to retreat temporarily.

I don't have a specific Master planned for her yet. I'm okay with contracting with another player's Master, but I can also make my own if nobody volunteers.

@Kost Alter

The Erinyes are still anti-unit even if they are invisible and cannot be seen. They still exist and they still only affect one person. Hence why Kiyohimes is anti-unit even though she can attack numerous people. It only affects herself. Any abilty that affects the singular is anti-unit.

EDIT: Secondly how does this interact with madness enhancement which's sole purpose is to reduce mental disobedience and/or mental interference. Thirdly what if they are already insane and thus the furies add nothing or even remove anything. Fourthly how is it affected by magical resistance. As a curse it is still Magical. Otherwise its not a curse.

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Firstly the servant.

Berserker

Nicknames: The White Dragon

Alignment: Chaotic Evil

Servant of: ????

Catalyst For Summon: One of the scales which she left behind before her death.

Weapon(s): Besides the metal fan she likes to carry around that is capable of cutting objects, her own body is a weapon due to her shapeshifting skills.

Wish: To become the wife to her master.

Skills

Name Stalking
Rank B
Effect Something that may also be described as a wild instinct that includes magic power and the fives senses, she tracks down her master no matter how far the distance.

Name Shapeshifting
Rank C
Effect: Gives her the abilty to transform into a poisonous serpent and low ranking dragon forms (for flight) the dragons do not feature the traits commonly attributed to them and are more equaivalent to flying snakes if anything. Both forms are poisonous and the venom is a paralytic but not lethal.

Name: Flame Coloured Kiss
Rank: A
Effect: It is what Kiyohime wishes from her Master. If it means she would be able to join her lips with her Master's, she would be willing to push aside every obstacle and become Super Kiyohime-chan. The compensation would be that the future of the Master would be fixed (as a groom), but that is just a trivial risk.

Class Abilities:

Madness Enhancement: EX

Communication is perfectly established between Kiyohime and her Master, but she will treat her Master as a 'loved one' and prohibits him/her from lying. If one lies and Kiyohime definitely saw through whatever lie was said, one Command Spell is automatically consumed.

Grant her Mental Pollution of EX level but no rank up to parameters.

Base Parameters

Strength: E
Endurance: E
Agility: C
Magical Power: E
Good luck: E
Noble Phantasm: EX

Noble Phantasms:

The First and Final Noble Phantasm of Berserker

Name: Samadhi Through Transforming Flames
Quote:
“Watch over me!"
"As of now I'll eliminate the liar."
"Samadhi Through Transforming Flames!!”
Rank: EX
Type: Anti-Unit (Self)
Range: 0(minimum) - 10 (maximum *achieved through the usage of the dragons breath*)
Description:
The range of her fiery breath is her most potent aspect due to it spewing forth in a cone it allows her to easily handle single units by herself (unless they are able to regenerate the damage through some defensive noble phantasm. However, a comparison of the damage she can do is that under a constant stream of her dragon breath, she can break through anything Caledborg II can, and in same cases more. However, unlike Caledborg II who does it instantly upon impact, she requires constantly exposing the enemy to her attack.

Her upper body features two claws which in terms of cutting power function as B rank noble-phantasm swords by power alone. They have no other special features.

Both of these are base level, without factoring in the fact that she is fighting in her homeland which would naturally make it slightly strong but her legend isn't as well known so the increase is slight at best.

Her stats also change in this form to better suit her status as a phantasmal beast. They become
Strength: (筋力, Kinryoku?): A+
Endurance: (耐久, Taikyū?): A+
Agility: (敏捷, Binshō?): C+
Magical Power: (魔力, Maryoku?): B
Good luck: (幸運, Kōun?): E

and she gains (due to her now Dragonic blood in this state):
Magical Resistance: A

Her appearance is a large white serpentine dragon, with claws featuring only on its upper body. It is capable of flight through some arcane means. This Transformation due to the amount of mana it expedites is almost impossible for her to pull it off by herself as a servant even with soul consumption. It requires a great deal of mana from the master in order to occur and be sustained. Making it a noble phantasm that is reliant on the master to have any extreme impact.

True Name:

The Dragon wishing to be a Wife

Kiyohime

Appearance

Appearance

Dragon form:

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Calm

Anger

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I was thinking of making a custom assassin based on [url=Clytemnestra]https://en.wikipedia.org/..
Low offensive and defensive stats, an interesting backstory and personality to work with, and an actual Anti-Mind noble phantasm!
I can be fairly active, no need to worry about that.

@Kost Alter

Um your url is a bit off you forgot to close bracket the url= and also forgot to put a word between both url's brackets in order to link it to correct it, it should look like this

Clytemnestra oh whoops nevermind you fixed it

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@1Charak2Ruler Jeanne will be different from saber jeanne. I intend to give saber jeanne more of an anti mage build centered around self protective buffs such as protection of faith, and what have you. More over like alter jeanne she will be using the blade of saint catherine as a primary weapon instead of her flag. Likewise she will loose some of her ruler enhancements such as true name discernment. Likewise her using her La Pucelle would end with Leon being without a servant so I intend to change that to some extent.

@vancexentan

Er the problem is, is that jeanne is more known for using the flag then the sword (type moon jeanne). Unless this is an ALTER then she would likely still use the flag due to the protections and protective buffs. The flag is still capable of being used as a weapon due to the sharp point. Secondly La Pucelle could be completely absent and could just be a thing given to her to help her fulfill her role as the ruler class.

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@Cu Chulainn@1Charak2@Cinderella Man In regards to my saber who would you guys rather see? The brash, and prideful Mordred? The elegant, and strong Jeanne of Arc? The legendary turn coat Lancelot? Or perhaps Siegfried?

If you guys don't care then I'll end up going with Mordred. If you guys have preference I'd prefer Jeanne, or Mordred. Siegfried, and Lancelot are fine however they have questionable moments in which they can prove themselves to be solid characters with Lancelot's melancholy and knightly attitude, and Siegfried having to be the mute giant stick that his master will need to lug around. However they do have potential.

@vancexentan

I would say Jeanne de Arc due to her having protective noble phantasm and a one shot suicide skill that can help in a pinch.

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@Cinderella Man Alright may I ask which caster you have in mind?

@Kost Alter Alright well here's the deal you can't choose servants on the tier of Iskander, Karna, and Gilgamesh. All of them have abilities that are incredibly game changing and broken. I have chosen to limit the skill level of these servants to prevent power playing and the other servants becoming irrelevant. Nerfs can make some servants more playable and I'm careful on what I let in regardless. The top tier characters I let in are on the tier of Beowulf, and Cu Chulainn (with some nerfs to make it so that he doesn't insta-murder the enemy cast).

Custom servants must have an actual legend, or real life person exist behind them. Fairy Tales are a thing so hypothetically a prince charming could exist. They are allowed no more than two noble phantasms. There is already an OOC that existed but is now dead because well Charak vanished I'm giving them one more chance here. You can find it here

roleplayerguild.com/topics/156698-fate..

@vancexentan

Wait I thought this involved a restarting of the IC? From the top per say, surely you can take the opening ooc post and put it in a new thread?