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In addition to playing into the spirit of the genre I would say that we also have to account that these kids know they will be killing people and to a point are before they make genin are taught not only the basic to the setting’s abilities but also the knowledge of the history of their village— they know. Though maybe that’s just me reading into it.


I really don't see how knowing what they're getting into will make it all the more easier. They're still killing real people. Real soldiers don't go into war calm in the knowledge they "know" they'll have to kill someone.

And again, this isn't where they reluctantly acknowledge the reality of the situation, it's where they go in, kill someone, and don't even think about it at all. Like, you kill a person for the first time ever, and its just a tiny part of your first wacky mission.
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And again, this isn't where they reluctantly acknowledge the reality of the situation, it's where they go in, kill someone, and don't even think about it at all. Like, you kill a person for the first time ever, and its just a tiny part of your first wacky mission.

Yeah, even my "prodigies" would feel from doing it for the first time. They wouldn't just do it and laugh ten minutes later how they're just a kid. That's stupid.
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Sort of on topic/off topic about kids and killing...

Sister knew a guy she went to school with. 15 or 16 year old from memory. Yeah... He murdered his stepfather and attempted to murder his mother. After he committed the deed police found him standing at the bus stop with his school gear, waiting to catch the bus to school as if nothing happened.

Point: some younger people are just mentally fucked up, so having a child killer who has grown up in a murdering world isn't unbelievable.
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I'm sure that kind of thing is possible, but you wouldn't describe said person as "friendly, bubbly, kind and caring", right? The character I'm describing is not one with deep seated psychological issues, its an apparently "normal" or "nice" person that turns into a LETHAL KILLING MACHINE™ when they enter combat, and they don't pay much attention to the act of killing when they have to do it. I mean, sure, maybe someone would hide their true nature by pretending to be everyone's best friend, but the characters I'm describing are portrayed as perfectly normal yet capable of killing without batting an eye.
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I'm sure that kind of thing is possible, but you wouldn't describe said person as "friendly, bubbly, kind and caring", right? The character I'm describing is not one with deep seated psychological issues, its an apparently "normal" or "nice" person that turns into a LETHAL KILLING MACHINE™ when they enter combat, and they don't pay much attention to the act of killing when they have to do it. I mean, sure, maybe someone would hide their true nature by pretending to be everyone's best friend, but the characters I'm describing are portrayed as perfectly normal yet capable of killing without batting an eye.


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I'm sure that kind of thing is possible, but you wouldn't describe said person as "friendly, bubbly, kind and caring", right? The character I'm describing is not one with deep seated psychological issues, its an apparently "normal" or "nice" person that turns into a LETHAL KILLING MACHINE™ when they enter combat, and they don't pay much attention to the act of killing when they have to do it. I mean, sure, maybe someone would hide their true nature by pretending to be everyone's best friend, but the characters I'm describing are portrayed as perfectly normal yet capable of killing without batting an eye.


I actually know plenty of people like this and I think it's funny as fuck. Unless we're all mentally fucked as a collective in which case it would not be normal or funny.
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About the whole Killing everyone and being totally normal with it. Is it possible for someone to be able to do that, yes. It's possible. Can it be conveyed properly in RP form. That's a whole other topic right there. There are just some mental states of mind that are unfathomably difficult to write for; can people do that properly, maybe. Maybe. Will the majority of RPers who make insane, super cold blooded killers who go back into normal super friendly mode after a killing spree; be able to write them properly. Probably not.

It's a different mindset, and there are talented RPers who can do it right, but it isn't for everyone who just wants to be edgy or unique. That's why Character Sheets and A Sample post would weed those out. The RPers who can tackle those types of characters properly will shine through. It's the same deal with Uber Characters or Ninjas. Not everyone can play those types, and if you want to help someone try that's fine but in the end it's the decision of the GMs to allow those types of characters. Those are my thoughts on the matter.
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This is almost like a brutal ode to myself for a bitchfest.

It drives me crazy when I see others capable of spinning out long scrolls of text, and I have trouble knitting out a flimsy three-para. This doesn't include scene starters though; most of the times I can fare decently, especially if I can introduce NPCS. But once I build up some forms of hope for my partners ...

If getting your point across in a post is a destination, then:

• The role player who writes Advanced is the driver with a nice, gold-painted Cadillac enjoying the ride in the longest route.

• Then we have the ones who linger in Casual but are honestly really deserving of a level up. The Cadillac drivers who take the highway.

• And then we have me! In my helpless Land Rover (limited vocab and descriptive phrases ) who depends on a GPS to get there so she's unable to "enjoy the ride".

// Does anyone suffer from this? Always feeling incompetent and overshadowed by other roleplayers?

A logical part of me says I should let it go~ let it go~ and have fun, but it's a little hard when those that meet your criteria (grammar, spelling, interest) are always so freaking amazing, but when you try to lower your standards, you're afraid of being stuck with someone who avoids the shift key like a plague and has never heard of commas and fullstops.

I may be traumatised, and it frustrates me I have a hard time getting over it. Some years back when I started roleplaying, I was a two-liner. (How can one express anything with one sentence for a scene?)

Tried to roleplay on a chatting site, and some girl didn't have standards scribbled on her profile - and a friend was daring me to make a starter with her.

I tried, and got shot down, hard. "You can obviously tell I write better than you so run along and play with people your level. You'll never be able to play with me because by the time you're my level? I'm still above you."

Maybe if I was her friend and someone weak like I was approached her, and all of us were aware she's super "literate", I'd even think the weak-me deserved it (not as harsh). So, in a way, I fear that I brought this trauma to myself.

Idk, gutted I was. But it stuck to me that I can never be good enough for great roleplayers out there. You know self-prophecy? Yeah. So aware, so afraid. That I am perpetually in the "mediocre" limbo at best so I don't dare to try and approach roleplayers that are more fluent, amaze-balls, and seamlessly capable of barfing word rainbows.

TL;dr You are your worst critic.

*PS: Some people may make fun of purple prose, but sometimes, when the writer executes it well, I kinda suspect it's not just a talent or skill, it's some damn arcane magic.
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Tried to roleplay on a chatting site, and some girl didn't have standards scribbled on her profile - and a friend was daring me to make a starter with her.

I tried, and got shot down, hard. "You can obviously tell I write better than you so run along and play with people your level. You'll never be able to play with me because by the time you're my level? I'm still above you."


As someone who's written stuff on and off this site that's made people if I was already an accomplished author and shit like that, let me say this:

That person who acted that way is nothing less than an example of exactly what no writer, professional or otherwise, should EVER act like.

I'm not going to say that roleplaying itself is an art, but roleplaying is a means by which we can improve our abilities in the various arts which it emulates. It's MEANT to be fun. It's MEANT to be enjoyable. What's more, there's no wrong way of doing it.

The reason I still roleplay despite definitely being in the "I'm writing a book" stage is roleplaying frequently exposes me to other ways of writing, other forms of storytelling, and in other words expands my idea of what I can do. I've seen people who thought they weren't that great churn out an absolutely novel concept. I've seen people develop distinct writing styles that I don't think I could repeat without feeling and writing like a phony. It's fun, and it's exposure to new ideas.

If someone doesn't even give another roleplayer a chance and says "I'd never roleplay with you; you'll never be at my level," I'm frankly going to assume they're a glorified fanfic writer that uses hackneyed premises and otherwise has the social grace of an orangutan. Fuck 'em. Seriously. It's one thing to be proud of your work, but it's quite another to assume that a given person will NEVER create anything of comparable value. What's more, it makes our medium that much harder to get into.

Here's my own TL;DR:

Roleplaying is a wonderful medium, and it's a great way to practice over time and get better at what you do. It's a great way to have fun. I say that if you want to become a better writer and are afraid you aren't improving at a pace you like, throw yourself into the shark pool. Let yourself be immersed in the fiction you WANT to write like. It may make you feel uncertain, but it's the best way to go.

Also, huge series of paragraphs aren't always the best. Sometimes, all you need is a few sparse sentences to get your point across.

With that said, remember to always be open to constructive criticism. For instance, whenever I've helped someone else critique their own work in the past, I've ALWAYS erred on the side of being harsh rather than being soft. It takes honest, potentially mean-sounding criticism to get better at what you write. It's what my mom did, what my best English teachers in high school did, what my history professors did, and what roleplayers online have done as well. Their criticism helped me become the writer I am.

But more than anything, just immerse yourself. Have fun. And if you want to improve, you will.
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Writing a long block of text is very easy, it's not a indication of writing ability. Advanced is a misnomer to hell since it implies quality RPers when it really just means people who can vomit out more words. Like, if word count equated to skill a Super Smash Bros fan fiction would be the height of human literature.

Here is a little fable from Franz Kafka to show how word count DOES NOT correlate to 'skill' at all.

Alas," said the mouse, "the whole world is growing smaller every day. At the beginning it was so big that I was afraid, I kept running and running, and I was glad when I saw walls far away to the right and left, but these long walls have narrowed so quickly that I am in the last chamber already, and there in the corner stands the trap that I must run into."

"You only need to change your direction," said the cat, and ate it up.
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Very punchy! But it's usually effective after a large para, isn't it?
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when someone goes fanboy in the OOC and gets upset with a fanboy response. if you can't take it then don't dish it out
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Eh?

I dunno, maybe they just lost interest in the thread and you're reading too much into things? >.>
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Writing a long block of text is very easy,

Writing a cohesive and quality post of such length is not easy. People can string needless paragraphs together, but if it still flows like a brick it will read like one. Brevity is plenty good, but if your style is entirely minimalist with two or three sentences for description and one for dialogue I feel it will not be very interesting to read in the first place. It especially won't be for me.

it's not a indication of writing ability.

Neither is writing a brief post. The proof is in the pudding, not how many (or how few) ingredients are in it.

when it really just means people who can vomit out more words.

Not at fucking all. This is a fallacy, because I've written in Advanced & Casual for years and the divide people invent for their narrative is fiction. Advanced roleplaying should focus on developing interesting and complex characters that become part of plot-lines which catch the imagination and inspire the writer behind them to exercise creativity. It is mature, humorous, imaginative, tragic, terrifying, passionate, and rife with descriptive language and characters with real personality and relateable cares. Quality posting is far better than needless novels, yet one should never neglect detail when one feels the need. However, while word and paragraph requirements ought to be unnecessary, single paragraphs cannot contain enough detail to suffice.

Honestly, it seems Casual is far more elitist than Advanced by the comments I've read over the years.
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I remember my English teacher used to say it's important to give enough details so that the reader can have at least a pale image of the scene in the writer's head. Which is why people who *can* paint said scene into a scenery are wow to me.

And then we have people who, take an example from my encouters, used 3k words to illustrate a moment of flatulence. lol
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I remember my English teacher used to say it's important to give enough details so that the reader can have at least a pale image of the scene in the writer's head. Which is why people who *can* paint said scene into a scenery are wow to me.

And then we have people who, take an example from my encouters, used 3k words to illustrate a moment of flatulence. lol

Yeah, there’s a talent to writing of various styles— but my issue was generalizing an entire section that has several years of content and players of multiple personalities as well as aesthetics. As a player in that section I guess I take a bit offense to the assertion.

Honestly, is it weird that I’d love to see this legendary post of describing such a thing?
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Now I regret not saving it. Was from the chat site I mentioned, about 6 years back. He was pretty 1337, heh. I do recall how he used these words:

• beast
• ripping
• bless
• savage

... only because I was so frightened I said "brbs" - and those four particular words stuck.
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Now I regret not saving it. Was from the chat site I mentioned, about 6 years back. He was pretty 1337, heh. I do recall how he used these words:

• beast
• ripping
• bless
• savage

... only because I was so frightened I said "brbs" - and those four particular words stuck.


A 3,000 character post about flatulence on a chatroom is impressive, even if it is nonsense.
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Writing a cohesive and quality post of such length is not easy. People can string needless paragraphs together, but if it still flows like a brick it will read like one. Brevity is plenty good, but if your style is entirely minimalist with two or three sentences for description and one for dialogue I feel it will not be very interesting to read in the first place. It especially won't be for me.

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Neither is writing a brief post. The proof is in the pudding, not how many (or how few) ingredients are in it.

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Not at fucking all. This is a fallacy, because I've written in Advanced & Casual for years and the divide people invent for their narrative is fiction. Advanced roleplaying should focus on developing interesting and complex characters that become part of plot-lines which catch the imagination and inspire the writer behind them to exercise creativity. It is mature, humorous, imaginative, tragic, terrifying, passionate, and rife with descriptive language and characters with real personality and relateable cares. Quality posting is far better than needless novels, yet one should never neglect detail when one feels the need. However, while word and paragraph requirements ought to be unnecessary, single paragraphs cannot contain enough detail to suffice.


So you agree with me? My statement was pretty much that writing amount means very little and that quality is more important. Does that mean writing little fable length posts? No, you aren't Franz Kafka and roleplaying requires more detailed posts due to needing to not only convey information to a reader, but also needing to convey information to who you are interacting with in a way that allows for creative responses to events. Not to mention making 'short quality posts' requires tons of revision that I doubt people who post in casual actually do. Making a long post that requires only a couple revisions works fine usually.
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Grump over:

Replied to someone's search thread, gave a pitch based on their idea, was told said pitch is awesome, waited for them to start.

INCIDENT 1: Got told to start because *I* went to them with the idea and *they* have work to do, called out their attitude and bid farewell, person apologised, swept it under rug and we setup.

Rolled a few posts, realized something not discussed about npc relationships, confronted person if it's to force the pairing together quickly and iterated I'm no pushover, got told I talk to them like crap from incident 1 (?!?!).

Explained to person if you don't like something you bring it up and not throw surprises at someone that disrupts their npc THEN I bid farewell politely, other person goodbye'd and promptly made a public note somewhere about my apparent tyranism.

I can't even.

Now I don't trust people who compliment how my derived plots are anything appealing when I reply their searches. ಠ_ಠ In case another one accuses me of bullying them into accepting.
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