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Hidden 11 yrs ago Post by Skallagrim
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It depends though. I see your point, but I have see two good roleplayers write an excellent gunfight ala gun kata.
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It depends though. I see your point, but I have see two good roleplayers write an excellent gunfight ala gun kata.


I think Gun-Kata is strangely the middle-ground between the more pitched duelling atmosphere and gunfighting, you tend to be up close and personal at some point, and it feels like a real contest to score that all important kill shot.

I actually really love Equilibrium, though less so for the martial arts and more for some of the story-line concepts.
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<Snipped quote by Skallagrim>

Melees were pretty rare in pitched battles. They did descend into total bloodshed of both sides resulting in no real winner. Hence why they were avoided.

I think the real point is that guns are very good at killing people. Which I believe results in allot more deaths compared to battles of the past. I mean, you have a hard time having 'friendly fire' when your only weapon is a long pointy object.


Where do you get this idea that melees are avoided?
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<Snipped quote by GreivousKhan>

Where do you get this idea that melees are avoided?


Me·lee (mā′lā′, mā-lā′) also mê·lée (mĕ-lā′)
n.
1. A confused struggle or fight at close quarters. See Synonyms at brawl.
2. A confused tumultuous mingling, as of a crowd: the rush-hour melee.

Melee's only happen outside of formations, I.E, when all chaos and hell's breaks loose, and you're in a position you can't tell friend from foe.

Yes they were avoided if possible.
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<Snipped quote by GreivousKhan>

Where do you get this idea that melees are avoided?


Historical medieval combat, where the volume of sieges outweighs pitched battles in the open field by a significant margin. Some wars were won without any open field battles at all. The Saxons fighting the Franks for example avoided open battles like the plague because they got rekt, as me and Khan discussed a while back we figure it's because an open field battle requires both sides to have confidence that they can win, which is highly unlikely most of the time.

To clarify open field battles were where most melees occurred if they were going to, when order fell apart during infantry clashes.

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Lol ok. Melees happen when combat happens. Formations break, individual combat becomes a melee. Yes Melon, I know I agree. But Khan seems to think they never happened and no one broke ranks or were overwhelmed. Melees, Khan happened.
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Skallagrim must of missed that talk.
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Lol ok. Melees happen when combat happens. Formations break, individual combat becomes a melee. Yes Melon, I know I agree. But Khan seems to think they never happened and no one broke ranks ir where over whelmed. Melees Khan happened.


I think it's fair for Khan to say that situations where melees could occur were avoided though, and anything avoided probably happened fairly rarely when life and death was concerned.

Then again re-reading that post you quoted it does sound like Khan said melees were avoided within pitched battles, which I think was probably unlikely. Break down of command was pretty much a recurring theme in medieval combat. I can only think of a few battles off the top of my head, but all of them included what I would call a 'melee'.

Hastings - Feigned Retreat/Bretons running like bitches causing the Saxon line to break and chase them.

Agincourt - Brutal maul between the English and French when they met at melee range after barraging them with arrows, people fell into the mud and drowned, people suffocated in armour, seems pretty messy.

The majority of the Crusade battles, even in siege the Crusaders were renowned for just killing everything.
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Of course they happened, that does not change the fact they were undesirable.

What kind of commander wants a melee?
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Maybe this is a miscommunication, Khan is saying melees were avoided from a strategic stand-point, where-as Skallagrim is asserting the commanders didn't manage to avoid melees, either way I assume you both agree they were undesirable from a strategic standpoint.
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<Snipped quote by GreivousKhan>

We're talking about pistols here, swap any of these remarks with shotgun or rifle or barrage of rifle rounds and everything changes pretty rapido.

Speaking of nerfed firearms, my character's weapon using an archaic hammer-style one shot system, and has four rounds a 'mag' what are the limitations on DJ's dual pistols? It seems like they have no ammo constrictions with the magic rounds.


As much as it's supposed to be magic bullets and crap, I have vowed to myself to follow the restrictions of the tournament.

These pistols are IMI Desert Eagles, chambered in .50 pistol, so seven rounds to a magazine. These are bullets you really don't want to get hit by.

He has three magazines on either side of his belt so six magazines, plus the two already loaded equals eight in total.
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The restriction is six rounds to a magazine
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I'm rather shocked there are not more, or at least one, damn gun kata character. Miss opportunity people.


Outlaw. You missed my dimension warping cowboy. He's a gun kata practitioner.

Though how useful he'd be considering his firearms are huge ass revolvers...hmm.

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Well six then. Sorry forgot rules. I made a vow I'm sticking to it. Six a mag it is.
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@MelonHead Oh and the vial thing, uh, you can edit it to four, yeah. I just saw the little discrepancy but I knew it didn't really affect anything big.
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I should point out that considering the speed we're working at, avoiding my character's shots by sound would be a poor method of avoidance, considering sound is slower than light, he'd have an easier time just seeing Metz fire.

What I'm saying is that if he's relying on hearing to avoid the shot, he couldn't have escaped the bullet that easily.

Also if his hearing is that sensitive you probably should have said something about how loud the massive pistols firing in his hands were.
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@Skallagrim How many posts until the ash starts to fall?
@MelonHead Yeah, he's canine, technically you're right.

Also which platform is Metz on? Is he across from Daniel, like, not the middle one but the one opposite him on the other side of the chamber?
Hidden 11 yrs ago Post by Skallagrim
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I actually left it open so one of you can start that aspect of the battleground.
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@Skallagrim How many posts until the ash starts to fall?
@MelonHead Yeah, he's canine, technically you're right.

Also which platform is Metz on? Is he across from Daniel, like, not the middle one but the one opposite him on the other side of the chamber?


Well, as we -had- to start facing each other but with the middle platform empty, I figure no matter what we're in a line with the other platforms to either side of us and the middle platform empty in front of us.
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After today my replies may become shoddy unfortunately, as I'll be moving house and have just been informed internet shall be returned to me at an undisclosed date.
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