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@Klomster I will give him a prod for you :)
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Ok, I should have my character sheet up by tonight. For the Forest Clans, I was thinking that they specifically hate the Kingdom of Cawanor and especially the De Raimier due to the House's mining businesses attempting to move operations across the mountains and infringing on land belonging to the Clans. Also, is it possible if the Clans have a separate religion from the rest of Formaroth?
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@chayden13 Indeed the clans do have a separate religion and a different language if you wish. Also on the subject of the clans hating the De Reimer family, another reason could be this: Originally the mountains of Cawanor were home to a clan called 'The Risen'. The Risen clan were a clan of inhumanely large tribesmen who were famed for their height and strength. As the mining operations of Cawanor moved deeper into the mountains the clan started to attack the miners as they were infringing on their land, leading to a war between the kingdom of Cawanor and the risen tribesmen. Though the risen clan put up a worthy fight they were betrayed by the clan leaders eldest son (Ulf) and were wiped out by the traitors who sided with Ulf and the Cawanor military. The traitors were given massive amounts of gold and now serve as bodyguards in Cawaport for Patrick. The leader Ulf became Isabel De Reimer's personal bodyguard.

The risen clan could have been on good terms with the Forrest clans given them another good reason for hating the De Reimers.
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That sounds perfect! That is actually the exact connection that I needed. The twins can be members of the Risen clan and that is why they have the personal hatred for the De Raimier.
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Here's my character sheet:


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interesting concept, @chayden13.

We do have a few questions for sheet that you could think on, either clarifying or changing as fits for you... Just some thoughts, as this is Duncan's RP, not one of ours.

For the exports on the family...
Main Export of Goods: The Legon Forest’s main natural resource is timber, as Legon is the single largest forest in all of Formaroth. The entire clandom is completely covered in forest. However, this timber is largely untouched, as the clan’s religion considers the forest holy and that trees should only felled out of utmost necessity and never in wanton excess.

The Clandom also has extremely large ore deposits, possibly the largest in the world, due to it being situated between three major mountain ranges. However, the industry level of the Legon clans is relatively low and so much of these stores have not been tapped, especially not on the level of its neighbors, such as Cawanor.

What the clans are truly known for is their craftsmanship. They are one of the most skilled smithers in Formaroth. The metalworks that they create are of no equal. From weapons to jewelry, the Legon smithy’s create some of the finest quality goods. The Forest also are known for their furs, as there is are large amounts of game within Legon.

They've got more timber than anyone else, but they don't export it.
They've got vast amounts of mineral ores, but they have no large industry for using it.
Then they're famous for their craftsmen and smiths, having some of the best of these in Formaroth.

How does these last two add together? Is it that they make some of the best weapons available, but they only make a few each year? Do they only make for personal use? Or is it something else?

From our experience, expert smiths and craftsmen usually requires a fairly decent supporting industry. That does not mean, of course, that this is the only possible solution.

Jewelry usually requires precious metals, but it could also use gems. Mining for such requires industry, as would panning it from rivers. Refining gems is especially demanding. Or do they trade for such? if so, what do they trade away to get gems and such?

Which nations/families do they trade with?

What sort of armor do the people in this nation produce? Do they have the necessary industry to produce scale or plate mail? Chain mail? Or only leather-based stuff?




We suppose that others, like @Klomster, could delve better into weapons skills, but it does seem like being expert with all three of longbow, longsword and shield would be pretty demanding of any warrior, as we think they require fairly different training regimens.

We see lots of interesting potential here, though. We would recommend reading over after composing text, as that tends to root out more of those pesky errors that sneak into sheets when the author forgets to keep an eye or three open.
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I checked the skills, seeing how most have written their skills (myself included, guilty as charged) most have described a rather high level of expertise in fighting.

Most characters being either masters or experts.

However these clanspeople have reasonable reason to be skilled in bows and hand to hand. They are not described as being ridiculously skilled with weapons. (Like my character, might have gone a bit overboard there, sorry.)
My only pondering is the longsword.
Longsword is a rather noble weapon, as in it's most common for nobles to have it. Historically the weapon starts out as an almost legendary thing to in the late medieval ages being more like a sign of wealth.
Formaroth seems to be in a somewhat 1400-esque setting, meaning the longsword is far from a legendary thing, but historically it's usually the weapon of nobility.

I don't question the longsword per se, i'm just wondering where she got hold of it and if her training with it is more of a regular sword training or if it's more like its two-handed use.
Reading her skills it seems like she uses it with a shield, suggesting she doesn't really use it two-handed. However if one learns a weapon, one can usually use it rather broadly. So if someone would challenge her to a duel, she would do fine using it two-handed. However i assume that shields are a culturally important symbol like for the vikings.
In their duels they would bring 3 shields, the first to have all his shields broken lost the duel.

Seeing that their culture widely uses the bow and shield, i'd guess it's seen as a must have equipment, up to a symbolic piece of equipment. The shield the only thing that really protects a warrior from the skilled archers.

What it boils down to is that a longsword isn't the optimum weapon combined with a shield. It's often more useful to have a slightly shorter blade. However while the longsword is perfectly usable as a one-handed blade. It is still a one and a half handed sword.

I am actually a bit more into the thoughts Ellri brought up.
"They've got more timber than anyone else, but they don't export it.
They've got vast amounts of mineral ores, but they have no large industry for using it.
Then they're famous for their craftsmen and smiths, having some of the best of these in Formaroth."

If that is changed to more of a artisan description, while they don't produce many weapons and artworks, the craftsmen have an impressive artistic skill and little resource waste.
A distinct style of jewelry and decoration, beautiful wood carvings which fetch a hefty sum for collectors because of their exotic nature.
I think that fits in with the forest clan style.

I guess it's a matter of feeling, when the clansmen was described as "They are one of the most skilled smithers in Formaroth. The metalworks that they create are of no equal. From weapons to jewelry, the Legon smithy’s create some of the finest quality goods" one sort of gets the feeling that they have large foundries where they create really awesome weapons, and lots of them.

It could also be just a matter of misunderstanding here. Perhaps the idea was more of the artistic approach.
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@chayden13 Very good character sheet, but there are a couple of edits needed. Namely the ones that Klom and Ellri have pointed out.

I agree with Klom and Ellri on the point about the smiting. It is unlikely that groups of Forrest clans will be on par with major kingdoms in terms of smithing. Particuarly the smiths of Cawanor or Alenius who's smithing is part of the backbone of their economy. While it isn't unlikely that tribes would know of the art of smithing it is unlikely they would be able to perfect it or even get it up to a good standard. It is more likely that their ironwork would be rather shoddy, at least in comparison to the kingdoms. If certain character have good quality weapons or Armour then I imagine it would have been stolen from a neighboring kingdom.

Other than that good character sheet. Once the edit's have been made feel free to add it to the character tab.
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@PhoenixWhite Are you back with us yet or are your exams still ongoing?
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Thank you guys for the advice. I was working on it late last night so unfortunately some mistakes slipped through the cracks. Thanks for helping edit the sheets. I completely understand the points that you guys are making. First, for the lumber, I was imagining that the Clans' religion was largely focused around the their forests, as the gods or possibly their ancestors embody those trees. As a result, trees are only felled out of extreme necessity, such as to build homes or tools or such. So, because of their religion, they don't export lumber on a large scale. However, if you think this doesn't make much sense and should be changed, then I'd be more than happy to. As for mining, I think I will change, at least a little bit. I meant to deomstrate that they didn't have as large an industry as other nations, especially since they are not as centralized. However, they do have some individual mines, so as to provide the ore for their craftsmanship. As for that craftsmanship, I imagined the tribes as being a combination of the Gaels, the Celts and the Vikings. The Celts, especially during the early Dark Ages, were skilled craftsmen and had fine jewelry, though they weren't nearly as industrialized as the Romans. That's kinda what I was going for, as though they do not have mass foundries and infrastructure, they have the artisan approach and that many of the individual blacksmiths are extremely skilled. However, this is largely based off of Celtic society before the 1000's, so if you don't believe it would fit well into the rest of the Formaroth technology level I'll change it.

As for the character's skills, I would like to apologize. I felt bad using the "master warrior" cliche, especially since it has been used multiple times already in this rp, however I felt it best fit the Clans culture and the characters backstory. With the long sword, again I was imagining Celtic culture during the Dark Ages, when at the time the Celtic "longsword" was much shorter than that of the Middle Ages variety. However, these were made with Iron, before steel, and so does not entirely fit with Formaroth if it is equivalent to 1400's Europe. Again, if you think I should change it than I'd be more than willing to.
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I spoke with Phoenix yesterday - he is with family doing end of year family Christmasy things, thus somewhat lacking in time...
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@chayden13 Ah, as i suspected.
You are going for the route i thought you were.

Perhaps a select few of your smiths can make swords like this one?

Pattern welded swords, it was the shit before spanish steel. It was tougher, more flexible and lighter than regular iron swords. Just better in every way.
(And they look great too!)

Thing with them is that they take a lot of time and skill to make, and when spanish steel came along the old ways was not practical. Since spanish steel is just better steel on a large scale.
Pattern welding is primarily to circumvent poor materials, when the material is good to begin with that isn't necessary.

In Formaroth the equivalent of spanish steel might be Cawanor or Alenius steel. (I myself like the sound of Cawanor steel.)
In medieval europe the spanish steel became the standard for basically all weapons. IIRC spanish steel might be a more modern terminology, and might not be what the medieval people called it.
It basically boils down to if Duncan likes to call it something special. Otherwise it would just be "steel", everyone does it in that way. Does it have a special name? Probably some nerdy metallurgy people who argues over the name and origins.
Does anyone care apart from those? Nope.

Another name for pattern welding is Damascus steel.
A technique that skilled smiths can do. If they have the knowledge. It's not a complex technique, it's just that you need to know how it works. And as with all things, knowing a skill and mastering it are two very different things.
There might be a few smiths here and there outside the forests who can do it. Mostly because some smiths tend to (historically) be heavily family oriented, hanging on to old traditions.
Or some smith might have travelled to a clan and witnessed how it was done. Now selling similar blades to people who like the look of the blades.

As for the misunderstanding with long swords and whatnot.
She has a sword. It's a nice sword :)

(One can nerd down with terminologies for swords all day long, what one calls a longsword another will call a bastard sword. While both might be correct to some degree it seldom matters. And as far as i know even museum personnel often have different opinions. Making the whole affair even more tedious.)
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since some of the best stuff seems to be from cawanor, the equivalent of spanish steel could perhaps be Cawanori Steel?

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I'm curious, mostly for the sake of how my own character will react to the situation, about how the Clans treat mages...
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I spoke with Phoenix yesterday - he is with family doing end of year family Christmasy things, thus somewhat lacking in time...


I seem to be taking Echo a bit for granted these days.

Yes, I'm still around. Exams are over, passed all my classes, but there was a period of time of packing and returning home!

And now that I'm home family and friends have suddenly appeared and have eaten up much of my non-sleep time.

I have time enough to respond and write up a post or two, in the evenings, should the need be there. I will try and check the guild at least once a day for things of this nature, but, ironically enough, it seems I have less time at home than at college.
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@PhoenixWhite Understood. Do you think you will get a post out this round or would you like us to skip you for now?
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I'm curious, mostly for the sake of how my own character will react to the situation, about how the Clans treat mages...


For the most part, the Clans are accepting and kind to mages. In the Forest, they are referred to as Druids are usually the priests of the Forest Clans. As a result they have no ill will to foreign mages, though they will kill them just the same if they get in the Clans way. I'm going to add that into the bio.
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I should be able to get up a sort of catch-up thing for Beatrice and Naomi during the time of the collaboration since they kind of faded out during it, and I'll do some sort of post-collab catch-up with Giles to keep things up to date.

I should be able to get it out this weekend, though the days around Christmas can be hectic... So Saturday - Monday would be the range to expect something from me, and if I don't get something out and see myself a little too busy with the family I'll let you guys know by then to pass me by this round.
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That's an interesting view on mages. Far more enlightened (from a mage's perspective) than that held by a lot of people elsewhere in Formaroth. What do these clans think of how villagers and religious folks elsewhere treat mages?

Have some of their druids in the past been burned at the stake by such people? If so, how did they react?

How do they get along with the Circle (the mage school, effectively)?
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OK Two things:

First: MERRY CHRISTMAS :D

Second: My collab with @Ellri is done and will be posted once my collab with echo is finished (which should be finished very soon).
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