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@Guardian Angel Haruki Voth has proficiency with playing cards. What stat would be rolled to go alongside that proficiency? I could see charisma, but is it more important to have a good poker face, or to be able to read other people's poker face?

Also, Voth has a deck of playing cards. I would like to state for the record now that they are marked in a manner he is familiar with, as he has owned them for a long time, but he himself did not actually put on the cards.
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@Guardian Angel Haruki Voth has proficiency with playing cards. What stat would be rolled to go alongside that proficiency? I could see charisma, but is it more important to have a good poker face, or to be able to read other people's poker face?

Also, Voth has a deck of playing cards. I would like to state for the record now that they are marked in a manner he is familiar with, as he has owned them for a long time, but he himself did not actually put on the cards.


It depends on what Voth wants to do with the playing cards...

If Voth wants to understand the rules of a card game, calculate odds, or spot a cheater, that would be an Intelligence check.

If Voth wants to bluff, intimidate, influence a player, or keep a poker face during a game, that would be a Charisma check.

If Voth wants to cheat in a card game by swapping cards or hiding them, that would be a Dexterity (Sleight of Hand) check.

Marked cards would help Voth with identifying cards and thus identifying if someone is cheating, or if someone is keeping a poker face.

However, marked cards do count as cheating before a game. So, for having your cards marked, I would like a retroactive Sleight of Hand check with your playing cards proficiency to see how discreet those marks are.
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@Guardian Angel Haruki So your intent is to make any game of cards player a more elongated set of back and forth rolls, with different play styles allowing different stats added to the roll? As opposed to just a single roll off to determine the outcome of a single game.

Not being facetious; Just wanting clarification.

Also, again; Voth did not mark the cards. They're the same deck he got during the backstory I sent you. They were marked when he got them. He's just had them long enough that he was able to figure out that they're marked. My intention was to state that now, because it wasn't previously stated, before it became relevant.

Would you still like a roll for that, or would you rather set the DC based off some static aspect of Voth? Like his passive perception or insight.
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@Guardian Angel Haruki So your intent is to make any game of cards player a more elongated set of back and forth rolls, with different play styles allowing different stats added to the roll? As opposed to just a single roll off to determine the outcome of a single game.

Not being facetious; Just wanting clarification.

Also, again; Voth did not mark the cards. They're the same deck he got during the backstory I sent you. They were marked when he got them. He's just had them long enough that he was able to figure out that they're marked. My intention was to state that now, because it wasn't previously stated, before it became relevant.

Would you still like a roll for that, or would you rather set the DC based off some static aspect of Voth? Like his passive perception or insight.


My intent is to know what Voth's goal is when he uses his playing card proficiency before I call for a roll from him. The proficiency with the playing cards is very situational, and the check can vary. That way, I can call for an appropriate roll at the time when Voth wants to use his proficiency.

Since Voth didn't mark the cards, you don't need to roll.
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I’ll add on to your previous Insight check of 21 into Nibs and tell you he’s not tricking anyone. He’s being completely honest, and he’s essentially already giving everyone gifts as he stated, per the Rule of Hospitality. ^^”

Also, he is blind because of the blindfold.

For reference for the DM future post, I rolled a 2 for Voth’s gift. roleplayerguild.com/rolls/30129
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@Guardian Angel Haruki This is less about what's Actually the case, and more just Voth being innately distrusting of others. He is an evil cleric, raised in a society that promotes underhandedness and cruelty, who worships a god that venerates cleverness and caution second only to murder.

And while the rule of hospitality demands a person be a good host, so far as I'm aware it doesn't actually have any clause that disqualifies a person from being obligated to repay a gift in kind.

More over, the rules are currently enforcing themselves. Even if Voth believes Nibs doesn't intend to get a one-up on them, given his experience in the fey wilds so far, to his mind it's always better to err on the side of caution.

Finally; I know he's wearing a blindfold. I said as much in my post.

There was no cheating, to his mind, since the deck was face up for both players. He could not be blamed if his opponent chose to not take off the blindfold.


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@Guardian Angel Haruki This is less about what's Actually the case, and more just Voth being innately distrusting of others. He is an evil cleric, raised in a society that promotes underhandedness and cruelty, who worships a god that venerates cleverness and caution second only to murder.

And while the rule of hospitality demands a person be a good host, so far as I'm aware it doesn't actually have any clause that disqualifies a person from being obligated to repay a gift in kind.

More over, the rules are currently enforcing themselves. Even if Voth believes Nibs doesn't intend to get a one-up on them, given his experience in the fey wilds so far, to his mind it's always better to err on the side of caution.

Finally; I know he's wearing a blindfold. I said as much in my post.

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Okay. Got it.

Thank you for clarifying. ^_^

Just wanted to make sure there was no confusion before and after Nibs’ response.
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Voth: *Gives clear and obvious means to avoid the risk of receiving a gift under the rule of reciprocity*

Nibs:

Also Nibs:
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Voth: *Gives clear and obvious means to avoid the risk of receiving a gift under the rule of reciprocity*

Nibs:

Also Nibs:


I've edited a bit more into my previous DM Post to better explain why Nibs isn't accepting anything in return for the Rule of Reciprocity and is just following the Rule of Hospitality.

It isn't just the blindfold preventing him from playing a card game and keeping him from noticing anyone else.
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What Voth imagines everytime Jub speaks to him:
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What Voth imagines everytime Jub speaks to him:


In Jub's mind it'd be more like:

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<Snipped quote by Necroes>

In Jub's mind it'd be more like:




With this meme...well, I wouldn't say we came full circle.

It's more like we came half-circle at this point. XD

The game began with this meme, and we've reached the middle of the Campaign with this meme. XD
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How did the game begin with this meme? Voth wasn't there at the start.
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How did the game begin with this meme? Voth wasn't there at the start.


Private discussion with Fellsing over what Jub lost. ^_^
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Private discussion with Fellsing over what Jub lost. ^_^


Yeah I was wondering, actually, because I was looking over old posts and this was the first meme I posted in the OOC:


But I sent this to Haruki privately:
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Nibs jumps a bit at Brutrumukk's voice. He answers him, "If there is something specific you desire, I can make it. The only thing I can't make are weapons," He explains as he weeps once again, "I'm already guilty of causing numerous deaths through neglect. I can't handle being the cause of more deaths by providing weaponry,"


Good thing that these items can definitely not be used to harm people. Not entirely sure about Jub's based of the description but the other two so far... well sneakers gonna sneak, and hope Voth doesn't put the bag over anyone's head or put some small creature/being inside that relies on air.
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<Snipped quote by Guardian Angel Haruki>

Good thing that these items can definitely not be used to harm people. Not entirely sure about Jub's based of the description but the other two so far... well sneakers gonna sneak, and hope Voth doesn't put the bag over anyone's head or put some small creature/being inside that relies on air.


The gifts may not be weapons, but they do have to be useful. The items can be just as helpful outside of combat as in combat, if not more so. ^_^
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That's fair enough.

The player recognizes the potential. The character not so much.
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@Guardian Angel Haruki

Nibs strikes me as the cowardly sort. Would intimidation checks on him have advantage?
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Nibs strikes me as the cowardly sort. Would intimidation checks on him have advantage?


Him being scared is indeed his character flaw.

If I give you advantage to intimidate him, I'll have you roll a Wisdom Saving Throw to resist stealing any of the gold coins at disadvantage (for Brutrumukk's flaw) as a tradeoff.
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