Awson said
sorry

You really hurt him, should feel bad.

Kill Bones said
If I ever have to type that much again I'm just going to have jorick pretend to be meI'm not cut out for these word things

After reading everything I would've wrote all that... But alas you beet me too it. Lol

Probably for the best... xD

Awson said
sorry

It's fine

We'll fuck okay

mbl said
You really hurt him, should feel bad.

Hurt my fucking fingers for damn sure

I'll have to agree with Awson that unlike recent games like AssCreed and ME3, Dark Souls does sound to have a different gaming style that can be considered weird to most than the norm... Though I also agree with Kill B. that that doesn't mean that the game is flawed... it's just different than the more recent games that have became the norm. This is both good and bad... good because it holds players up in a new standard that actually challenges them and it's bad because it can be a tad more confusing for new players. But in the end, like KB said it's all about having the patience and will to try to play the game. If you continue to try, you'll never lose... if you give up, then that's when you'll lose... and just because you give up once doesn't mean you should give up completely... just wait a bit... think for a second on why shit is so hard, then play it again and maybe that strategy new strategy will work for you.

Then again, what do I know? I never even played it yet lol xD

The whole atmosphere of the game is absurdly bleak, depressing and wretched (and at times really beautiful too, but mostly dark and awful). So when people are getting scarred for life by the first few minutes of gameplay, that's a vivid indicator of success.

mdk said
The whole atmosphere of the game is absurdly bleak, depressing and wretched

Yeah, cut that online off, and it truly feels like the player is just completely and utterly alone in their struggle. I don't even get a feeling like that with Fallout, and that's about a nuclear fucking apocalypse for fucks sake.

Dark Souls is a game that test the patience and dedication of individuals towards a cause on multiple levels; both achieving success and understanding the world it's set within. You can't gain either without putting in effort, which the players in the Reddit (I'm assuming it's reddit) post Awson showed us don't necessarily lack. Whereas most informed people knew not to go that way from the get go, these guys continued to try regardless. That's dedication. Which is the point of Dark Souls.

I'd say there's absolutely nothing wrong with what these people have attempted, and I quite honestly don't blame them. Dark Souls is not a straightforward game in terms of gameplay, plot, direction, or otherwise. Kill Bones comment on them being talentless is well, pretty fucking mean and wrong, really.

The game is neither flawed nor are the players dumb; they're just misguided and decided not to look up a guide.

It doesn't take talent to have a sudden revelation that the bridge is the right way to go from the start. That's luck. Any one of us could have gone the graveyard route on our first try.

Also talentless shitheads wouldn't have the capacity to get far enough to obtain pursuers. The people you're complaining about are skilled players who decided to use an imbalanced feature of the game. The fact that you're complaining about dark mag is also a clue into your own talent...

...

Basically you're only complaining about it because you fucking suck at dealing with it.

Asuras said they're just misguided and decided not to look up a guide.It doesn't take talent to have a sudden revelation that the bridge is the right way to go from the start. That's luck.

Well.... doesn't Crestfallen say to cross the bridge?

Again, nothing wrong with hitting the graveyard first. There's something wrong (game-wise) with hitting the graveyard first and then quitting though.... that kinda is a sign of, uh..... personality traits, which won't carry you through the game..... obviously, because, you know..... you quit....

mdk said
Well.... doesn't Crestfallen say to cross the bridge? Again, nothing wrong with hitting the graveyard first. There's something wrong (game-wise) with hitting the graveyard first though.... that kinda a sign of, uh..... personality traits, which won't carry you through the game..... obviously, because, you know..... you quit....

The reason I kept playing after going to the graveyard first was because I thought to myself "That is too hard to be the right way" and then looked around.

With all of the talk of it's difficulty, it's not too far of a stretch for someone to think "Wow, these skeletons are stupid hard. Is this what everyone talked about? I don't want to waste my time getting good enough at this to not get two-shot and die by these."

You can't blame someone for not wanting to "persevere" through those fucking skeletons on their first run when they think that it's the only option.

Awson said
The reason I kept playing after going to the graveyard first was because I thought to myself "That is too hard to be the right way" and then looked around. With all of the talk of it's difficulty, it's not too far of a stretch for someone to think "Wow, these skeletons are stupid hard. Is this what everyone talked about? I don't want to waste my time getting good enough at this to not get two-shot and die by these."You can't blame someone for not wanting to "persevere" through those fucking skeletons on their first run when they think that it's the only option.

I don't mean to judge anybody's life based on their performance in videogames. All I'm saying is, if you're the type of (perfectly valid) gamer who quits at the first bonfire, Dark Souls is not for you, and you shouldn't be playing it. For your own sake. Save yourself from Blighttown while there's still time. Run away!

mdk said
I don't mean to judge anybody's life based on their performance in videogames. All I'm saying is, if you're the type of (perfectly valid) gamer who quits at the first bonfire, Dark Souls is not for you, and you shouldn't be playing it. For your own sake. Save yourself from Blighttown while there's still time.

My point is that someone could be exactly you, and have the potential to play DS exactly like you do, but also make the mistake at the start.

It doesn't take talent to have a sudden revelation that the bridge is the right way to go from the start. That's luck.

QFT

Mind you, the odds are still greatly weighted towards figuring out the right way, but it's still chance.

But anyway I'm definitely done talking about it now.

Awson said
My point is that someone could be exactly you, and have the potential to play DS exactly like you do, but also make the mistake at the start.

Of course. I did. I went into them skellytunns like a boss, and eventually I learned how to kite them out to the bonfire (they weren't easier or safer, but the arches make them come at you one at a time-ish, and then you can knock 'em down with your Soul Arrow, and even if you die you can hit your bloodstain reliably. So the graveyard to me, on the first playthrough, because an immeasurably powerful level-up mill, and set me up at 25 by the time I hit the burg.

If people saw 'unbeatable skeleton monsters with giant swords' as anything other than an asset, they're not the kind of people who're gonna enjoy Soul Series.

Oh you people are your stubbornness When I was your age we had skeletons who died when you casted healing spells on them, why can't games be like the good old days.

natsumehack said
Oh you people are your stubbornness When I was your age we had skeletons who died when you casted healing spells on them, why can't games be like the good old days.

There are no healing spells, because all the magicians are undead.

......jk, there's a couple, but you have to join a covenant and I never bothered.

mdk said
There are no healing spells, because all the magicians are undead.......jk, there's a couple, but you have to join a covenant and I never bothered.

Back in my day only the white mage, and sometimes that asshole red mage healed, and the white mage was always female.

natsumehack said
Back in my day only the white mage, and sometimes that asshole red mage healed, and the white mage was always female.

I bought Might and Magix VI so I could boast about stuff like this, but it was more confusing than Dark Souls, so I quit after the first skeletons.

mdk said
I bought Might and Magix VI so I could boast about stuff like this, but it was more confusing than Dark Souls, so I quit after the first skeletons.

You want hard try the first 3 wizardry games.

It's just..... those games, you know, the introduction is 'There is a tavern.' Not 'Hey check out this tavern, I bet there are jobs inside that you can take to get some coin before your voyage to the great poombah of football knowledge.' Not 'I've marked the Tavern on your minimap as a waypoint.' Just 'Hey, this is the developers. I see you've loaded the game successfully, so I feel like my obligations are about done. Good luck buddy."

mdk said
It's just..... those games, you know, the introduction is 'There is a tavern.' Not 'Hey check out this tavern, I bet there are jobs inside that you can take to get some coin before your voyage to the great poombah of football knowledge.' Not 'I've marked the Tavern on your minimap as a waypoint.' Just 'Hey, this is the developers. I see you've loaded the game successfully, so I feel like my obligations are about done. Good luck buddy."

Yup good old bullshitly hard games.

Awson said
Bullshit. A noob is not supposed to be able to go that route. They are supposed to go that way, get beat, and look for other ways. It seems simple enough, but it's not. Not everybody is you. As I have pretty much proved with the OP, the whole idea is flawed.

Actually, you can kill those skeletons if you use strategy and think about what you’re going to do before you charge in and get your ass kicked. Also, you can kill the skeletons in the catacombs at the start of the game if you get a certain sword from an undead dragon.

All I'm saying is that you can do anything if you try hard enough.