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LB...you do know the whole point of the RP is to get those types of guys shot, right?

And you do know the entire point of the Rebellion of 1821 and 1828 was to get rid of those guys - and they're gonna be kicking off again real soon, right?


Hmm, good points made; it seems I'll be getting my Republic the hard way.
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Slightly edited the verbiage to correct some dates/events on the app.
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After some soul-searching, I've been thinking of postponing joining this game for a while, as it is clear that having too many RPs contributes to my stress and thus my anger issues. That, and I'm also trying to start an ASOIAF game without much success.

Note that I may come back or still join, depending on what happens with my stress situation, though.
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Anyone have some good reading for this era? Trying to drill down on the revolutionary side of things and I’ll admit I don’t know much about this particular time period.
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Anyone have some good reading for this era? Trying to drill down on the revolutionary side of things and I’ll admit I don’t know much about this particular time period.


Here's a decent place to start on the predominant movement in the UK at the time:

Chartism, a radical movement in England
The Newport Rising, the last large-scale armed protest in the UK
The Young Ireland Movement, which wanted a free Ireland and engaged in several rebellions
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Anyone have some good reading for this era? Trying to drill down on the revolutionary side of things and I’ll admit I don’t know much about this particular time period.


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Here's a decent place to start on the predominant movement in the UK at the time:

Chartism, a radical movement in England
The Newport Rising, the last large-scale armed protest in the UK
The Young Ireland Movement, which wanted a free Ireland and engaged in several rebellions


While not British based explicitly I'm reading the 18th Brumaire of Louis Napoleon for inspiration and you could probably pick out a generalized idea from it. Tale of Two Cities might also be a good fiction to read since it is based on the lead up to and through the hottest period of the Terror, if heavily fictionalized and Anglo'd but does lay out the British view of the Revolution in France and probably would could be extended as the British view of the Continental Revolution as a whole.

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I'm going to go ahead and drop out of this because I've been having a hard time finding the motivation to get this sheet written and my interest has somewhat faded after the initial spike and it wouldn't be fair to keep dragging this out with faltering interest while holding an ambiguous claim on a major power without getting a sheet written. Hope you all have fun and hope it goes well ^-^
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I'm going to go ahead and drop out of this because I've been having a hard time finding the motivation to get this sheet written and my interest has somewhat faded after the initial spike and it wouldn't be fair to keep dragging this out with faltering interest while holding an ambiguous claim on a major power without getting a sheet written. Hope you all have fun and hope it goes well ^-^


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@Dinh AaronMk, if you want to focus more on mainland Europe I can rejig to a different nation since our numbers are limited.

If we see an explosion of interest, I would ask to be permitted to return to the UK.

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Yeah, I can move in closer as well. I'm not terrible good at European history (you and I both know I studied Middle Eastern history in college) but I can give it a shot.
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@Dinh AaronMk, if you want to focus more on mainland Europe I can rejig to a different nation since our numbers are limited.

If we see an explosion of interest, I would ask to be permitted to return to the UK.


Nah, Britain's fine because England is, well: right fucking there.

Yeah, I can move in closer as well. I'm not terrible good at European history (you and I both know I studied Middle Eastern history in college) but I can give it a shot.


If you want to that's fine. We barely even started so if you think you can move (and this also goes for Page) then now is the time to do so without being an issue. And if you want to be more relevant but also in your area of expertise there is also being your ancestral enemy

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Nah, Britain's fine because England is, well: right fucking there.

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If you want to that's fine. We barely even started so if you think you can move (and this also goes for Page) then now is the time to do so without being an issue. And if you want to be more relevant but also in your area of expertise there is also being your ancestral enemy

the perfidious turk


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Anyways, I think a few applications outstanding things have pretty much settled and I should get around to putting up an IC. I was going to do it today at the latest but I didn't so tomorrow I guess. Unless anyone has any outstanding issues they'd like to call out: do so now because from here it'll get harder to change anything.
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Hey, I'm considering playing a Nation RP for the first time. How much do I need to know about history to participate? I have an understanding of the general events of the period and geopolitical context, but not any ultra specific details for them outside of the UK as I read a book on the matter. Right now, I'm considering picking up Luxembourg, maybe used by another nation as the groundwork to curb German influence and create a friendlier German state from the bordering Prussian holdings? Was gonna consider Greece but saw someone was interested already. Punjab/The Sikh Empire would also be very interesting, albeit very rough. And I'm Dominican-American so I could either play the US and stir up trouble with the UK over Canada or mess with Spain by pushing for early Dominican independence and trying to create the Antillean Confederation. Of course, if anyone has suggestions for a nation to make the overall dynamic more fun I'd be willing to do the research and take the reigns.
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Hey, I'm considering playing a Nation RP for the first time. How much do I need to know about history to participate? I have an understanding of the general events of the period and geopolitical context, but not any ultra specific details for them outside of the UK as I read a book on the matter.


In general, it's usually more important to understand the motives and circumstances of why things happened or why certain people acted they way that they did than it is just to know the series of events that transpired. It's because of that that the two seem a bit inseparable - you can't really know the motives without knowing what happened, but it's a distinction I feel like I have to often make between the two when delving into Nation RP and alternative history.

For example, a liberal, reformist Austrian Empire-turned-Danubian Confederation that would have emerged from a revolution of the Iron Ring taking power in Vienna and then federalizing the Empire isn't that far-fetched: The Iron Ring was a very powerful force of liberalism in Austria during the time and they were involved in some of the largest protests and demonstrations that rocked Austria during the 1850s. They also didn't want like, total 100% independent freedom for everyone: The Iron Ring was very much still in favor of keeping the Empire all together and probably wouldn't have enjoyed the idea of a completely independent Hungary or Czechia. That's okay because it makes sense considering their actions, motivations, and size of their movement during the time - and the rocking waves of liberalism that was encountered throughout Europe too.

Now, if you were to do something like have Metternich do a complete 180 and just implement sweeping reforms to make everyone in the Empire equal, it'd be frankly bullshit: Metternich was an arch-reactionary who was famous for burning down half of Italy because of a single revolt and hated liberals and liberal ideals with a burning passion, and he wasn't about to do a complete heel-face turn because he thought that it might help stabilize the Empire: Especially not when it threatened his own status and ring of support to do so.

TL;DR Do some research on the big movements and figures in the country, then go from there.

Right now, I'm considering picking up Luxembourg, maybe used by another nation as the groundwork to curb German influence and create a friendlier German state from the bordering Prussian holdings?


In all honesty, since the Junker class of Prussia was basically completely liquidized in addition to them not having places like Posen or Konigsberg/Królewiec/Kaliningrad would knock them a bit down the ranks a bite. Prussia would still be one of the most powerful states in Northern Germany - Silesia, Brandenburg, and the Rhineland were some of the most populous and industrialized places in Europe during the 1840s - but their political situation would have been fucked with some of their best leadership now broke and penniless. From a pure political standpoint, i'd wager that Hanover might have more political clout in Germany than Prussia does.

Luxembourg in the sense of the German Confederation was more involved in the affairs of the Netherlands and would likely have more issues with the division between Walloonian and German speaking populations in Luxembourg than the inner machinations of the German Confederation - or the influence of Prussia, Hanover, or Austria in it, for that matter.

Not saying your idea can't be done, but it's something to consider depending on what you want out of your RP experience.
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Hey, I'm considering playing a Nation RP for the first time. How much do I need to know about history to participate? I have an understanding of the general events of the period and geopolitical context, but not any ultra specific details for them outside of the UK as I read a book on the matter.


Well we exist in the time of the internet so you could easily do research on any particular country so you have a general idea of what you're working with, or you do enough research to give you a sort of structure on how you can get away with running things and doing whatever research you need to do to become generally familiar with the terrain and build on it more and more. In my own RP'ing career I've done continuing study on stuff to better refine more and more my approach with whatever country I picked the longer I've written them; mainly this applies to China in Precipice of War. But in preparation for this I have been doing some brush up.

Generally, especially if you're new I would advise picking the poison you're mostly familiar with but we already sort of have a British Empire, he just has to move his app to the IC thread. But the structure of this RP is such that I encourage people to also play as non-state parties so if you want to do British stuff, you will need to ask our British guy and work something out as being the Whigs or the Chartrist movement or something in Britain. Otherwise: if you need help you can always ask.

Right now, I'm considering picking up Luxembourg, maybe used by another nation as the groundwork to curb German influence and create a friendlier German state from the bordering Prussian holdings? Was gonna consider Greece but saw someone was interested already. Punjab/The Sikh Empire would also be very interesting, albeit very rough. And I'm Dominican-American so I could either play the US and stir up trouble with the UK over Canada or mess with Spain by pushing for early Dominican independence and trying to create the Antillean Confederation. Of course, if anyone has suggestions for a nation to make the overall dynamic more fun I'd be willing to do the research and take the reigns.


As Yam said: Luxembourg isn't really relevant to German politics and most of its territory would have been ceded to the Netherlands and would be caught up in the fights in the Lowlands over greater German struggle. Realistically any counter to "Prussian hegemony" would be Austria, France, or Russia. But because the basis of this RP is that reactionary forces - read: the old feudal landowners - of much of Europe is greatly weakened the people who would have turned Germany into what it would become by the later half of the century are much weakened and sets the stage for a more radical of a more equal movement of German nationalist revolution. The intent of this RP would kind of be to radically reshape the historical course of Europe in the post-Napoleonic era, because it's all about "what if Napoleon was around for longer and was able to effect his radical mission much more decisively".

So the perfidious rotten cabbage merchants that are the Junkers get to be busted up and variously bankrupted and get to have a more tense relationship with the more upwardly mobile modern classes.
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