[OOC] World in Revolution: 1861

[Kho]

So Boerd said
Isn't that exactly when countries have protests? When they have issues?Your source says the religious types were weakened. At the apex of their strength, why didn't they revolt on support of the Caliph in the first Turko-Egyptian war?

And they did - note resistance to French and British rule, respectively.
As for the Ottoman-Egyptian War (starting 1831, unless you mean the Mameluke wars) Muhammed Ali was seen as liberator (from the French) and one who was not defecting from the Empire as such, merely wishing to have greater power WITHIN the Empire, as shown by the fact that Egypt remained a vassal, and he remained the Governor of Egypt. Further, Muhammed Ali did much to modernise Egypt - though shirt-lived due to British intervention - and there was no need to revolt against a good despotic ruler to replace him with a poor one.

[So Boerd]

But he was fighting the empire. If the Ottomans thought they could just declare the Eyalet at an end and waltz in without firing a shot, why didn't they ever?

[Pasta Sentient]

Made this. It's nowhere near as professional as some of the others, but I did my best.

[Kho]

@Boerd Of course they could never waltz in when Muhammed Ali was at the height of his power, but at this moment in history, with the weakness of the Egyptian economy before Ismail's rule, and with my reforms of the Ottoman Empire, I am in a much better position to 'waltz' in. I don't even need to waltz in, I can tell them to come dance with me.

@ Pasta haha, madness, I get it, terrible :P
But in all seriousness, I know you're not playing to win, but you could've won.

[Pasta Sentient]

@Kho, I could still win!!! It would just take me longer! I love playing with a handicap! :P

[Pasta Sentient]

Edit: Weird double post

[So Boerd]

What economic weakness? Egyptian cotton is in huge demand!

[The Nexerus]

Outcast, in the unlikely event you find this post in the horde of posts that will have surrounded it on either side by the time you log on:

Once a slot is open for me, would it be possible for me to play as Canada? I think given the circumstances it's entirely possible for Canadian Confederation to occur a few years early. There were already meetings being held between the colonies at this point in time anyway, and no doubt the U.S. House of Representatives passing a motion to attempt to annex Canada would fire up the Canadian unification movement.

[Dedonus]

So Boerd said
What economic weakness? Egyptian cotton is in huge demand!

Once the civil war ends (no matter the outcome), Europe in OTL switched back to American cotton. This resulted in Egypt's economy crashing big time.

Edit: It's pretty quite out tonight. Too much drama for one day yesterday?

[Kho]

So Boerd said
What economic weakness? is in huge demand!

That is a temporary circumstance as Dedonus has pointed out. The rest of the economy is in complete disarray. Not until the reign of Ismail does Egypt really pick up. Right now though, the economy isn't great, literacy is very poor - apart from the rising middle class - and the nation is generally not in a good way. Anyway, what's this whole debate leading to? Is there a point you're trying to make?

[solamelike]

The Nexerus said
Outcast, in the unlikely event you find this post in the horde of posts that will have surrounded it on either side by the time you log on:Once a slot is open for me, would it be possible for me to play as Canada? I think given the circumstances it's entirely possible for Canadian Confederation to occur a few years early. There were already meetings being held between the colonies at this point in time anyway, and no doubt the U.S. House of Representatives passing a motion to attempt to annex Canada would fire up the Canadian unification movement.

You would be best to PM him so that you don't have to keep posting here and keep getting swamped.

[So Boerd]

Kho said
That is a temporary circumstance as Dedonus has pointed out. The rest of the economy is in complete disarray. Not until the reign of Ismail does Egypt really pick up. Right now though, the economy isn't great, literacy is very poor - apart from the rising middle class - and the nation is generally not in a good way. Anyway, what's this whole debate leading to? Is there a point you're trying to make?

That they won't roll over.

[AegonVI]

solamelike said
You would be best to PM him so that you don't have to keep posting here and keep getting swamped.

Not necessarily. I've PMed him several times to no avail:/

[solamelike]

AegonVI said
Not necessarily. I've PMed him several times to no avail:/

*shrug* best to do both right?

[Byrd Man]

Well, I imagine his plate is pretty full at the moment with all of us each wanting to accomplish ten different things, a civil war to administer, and now a national uprising.

[Kho]

So Boerd said
That they won't roll over.

We don't need to discuss what will and won't happen, beyond our own evidences and reasoning there is just bashing each other with 'am right' 'no you're wrong, am right.'
Outcast has a job to do after all, he can decide, and if these debates help, great ;)

[Byrd Man]

And not to put more upon our beloved GM, I need to work out the peace treaties with France, UK, and Greece. Does it take up an order for the peace treaty, even if it's just a plain white peace?

[Rare]

Well, then Outcast might do a roll on who gets the colony. Brazil or France.

[bigscreech]

Or you guys could settle this dispute the old fashion way:p

[Kho]

bigscreech said
Or you guys could settle this dispute the old fashion way:p

Hmm...blame Mexico for all our immigrant problems?