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1254 AD: Purgatory of Europe

It has been fifty years after the Fourth Crusade, where the armies of the West turned against the greatest Christian City in the world, Constantinople, committing acts of bloodshed, rape, looting, and indiscriminate murder that were appalling even in such a brutal era. With the heart of Eastern Christendom ripped out, the legal heirs of the Imperium of Rome were driven out of their capital, onto Western Anatolia, where, holding back Turks and Westerners, they managed to build a stable, prosperous state.

In the West, the Seventh Crusade against Egypt has failed, and King Louis IX of France has taken revenge by expelling all that country's Jews, while Henry III of England is unwillingly forced to let elected representatives from shires and parliaments sit on the King's Council. In Portugal, similar things happen, with Alfonso III of that country holding the first session of the Portugese Cortes, an assembly of Nobles, Merchants, and more elected representatives.

And in the hallowed halls of the Vatican, the Papacy has clarified and named the doctrine of Purgatory, a state between Heaven and Hell in which sinners are purged of their sins before being allowed to Paradise. And Purgatory is what Europe is going through.

For death, fire, swords and blood are the laws of that time, the laws of the world. While people dream of a better world, they can do little to bring it about, and few even try that little. But there is always hope even in the darkness of the time...one just has to grab it.

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So there you have it, a Historical NRP based on the Middle Ages. I know, I know, people are generally uninterested in the era, but I hope to make it accessible for non-history nerds, as well as give people a great time while fighting/politicking/looting. Anyway...

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I'll add an Etherpad Link if necessary.

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I. The most important thing is to respect and follow the rules of our host site, which is no question. If there’s sexual content there is always “fade to black”, if it is a particularly dark and questionable scene it can be referenced or hinted at instead of shown. Basically, nudity is fine, but no 'horizontal tango'!

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III. No meta-gaming—in Game of Thrones Robb Stark wasn’t prepared for the Red Wedding, so by good logic you shouldn’t be as well. The characters can’t know things outside of their timeframe, knowledge, and so on.

IV. This is important—Your Nation must always be next to another Player Nation. And by that, I mean that during nation creation, you should not start at far-flung geographic regions; one nation in Scandinavia and another in North Africa.

V. Characters can and will die in this role-play. Battles can and will be lost. This means if five armed swords surround an unarmed individual there will be certainly a terrible end. Although, this is not to say GM’s or other players can kill others outright and without consultation—you have a say in plot progression but do remember this is a game of collaboration.

VI. Post length should fit the scene progression.

VII. Also a major rule...HAVE FUN!!! (or else...:p)

VIII. In the case of players who drop, grow completely inactive, and other situations that hold up the RP the GM's will take exclusive control of these nations so the RP can continue to progress.

IX. If you have any questions, comments, concerns or need to contact a GM for any reason, we ask that you add all three to your pm or we will rewrite your pm to fit this format. To reiterate, all pm threads to the gms for gm reasons MUST include me or anyone I list as Co-GM in the thread. This will normally include late additions to the lore, or concerns involving other players.

X. No Magic! 'Miraculous Cures' are permitted if they're obviously the placebo effect, though, and you can develop new technology if you can convince me that it'd be viable through PM.

XI. No attacking other nations, NPC or PC, without a Cassus Belli, aka a legitimate reason for war. Naturally, attacking nations of other Religions, or Excommunicated Catholics, is the easiest Cassus Belli there is.

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Nation: Basilea ton Rhomanion (Roman Empire, Byzantine Empire)
Location: Western Third of Anatolia (Modern-Day Turkey), Thessalonica and the Middle Balkans.
Total Military Numbers: 10,000 - 20,000
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History: You guys are allowed to use Wikipedia.
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I'm interested, though I won't say for sure that I'm good to apply. A nation roleplay I was in died before it could start, so I have room in my schedule.

I'd like to quote something:

IV. This is important—Your Nation must always be next to another Player Nation. And by that, I mean that during nation creation, you should not start at far-flung geographic regions; one nation in Scandinavia and another in North Africa.


So, who's chosen the first nation, since I assume I have to choose to be next to whoever chose before me? What's the farthest extent of who we'd be allowed to play? Etc.

One thing I'd love to do if anyone chose to play in Italy or North Africa is to play Ethiopia and try to punch northward through Egypt while it's somewhat weakened by the 7th Crusade.
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@Shorticus, See the post above yours'; I chose the first nation.

Granted, the Nation Sheet is pretty scanty, but I don't see the use of copying information already found in Wikipedia.
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Why do we have to start next to each other I mean one small nations could get surrounded by other players and have no where to expand.
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How far is too far? I couldn't be like England right now considering you're Byzantium.
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Why do we have to start next to each other I mean one small nations could get surrounded by other players and have no where to expand.


Point taken, but the problem with starting from far-flung areas is the fact that player nations won't be able to interact with each other, only NPCs.

Also, NPCs can and will fight back in my NRP; they are not weak 'Space Filling Empires' waiting for the civilizing influence of the Player Nations. They are as strong as they were IRL, and will not submit easily.
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How far is too far? I couldn't be like England right now considering you're Byzantium.


Maximum distance is a nation that can reach Byzantium easily by sea; meaning that almost all Italian States are open, especially if they have a Mediterrenean coast. Aragon is open too as it can reach the Balkans by sea even though it's in Eastern Iberia, but I'd advise against it.
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Why not just make people control either European powers or northern Africa countries. Basically the original map of CK2.
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Why not just make people control either European powers or northern Africa countries. Basically the original map of CK2.


Wouldn't that make England and Scandinavia options? Those would be countries that would only interact with NPCs, which, again, would be hard nuts to crack.

Also, I'm going to add a rule against attacking any nation, NPC or PC, without a Cassus Belli.
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Would a King of Germany or a Duke of Bavaria be plausible?
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Would a King of Germany or a Duke of Bavaria be plausible?


Duke of Bavaria or Holy Roman Emperor works.

Edit: Especially as you'd be able to go down the Danube, towards Bulgaria, which borders the Byzantines/Nicaeans.
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Hmm... I'll wait a bit and see who picks what before choosing a nation.
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Hmm... I'll wait a bit and see who picks what before choosing a nation.


Thanks!
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Actually... I'll go ahead and ask:

Would the Almohad Caliphate be close enough to the Byzantine Empire for your purposes? That would open up a lot of places for other players, and it's a nice, fat empire ready to try conquering the rest of Iberia.

EDIT: Wait, nevermind. This is the time period when they've been weakened, isn't it?
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Actually... I'll go ahead and ask:

Would the Almohad Caliphate be close enough to the Byzantine Empire for your purposes? That would open up a lot of places for other players, and it's a nice, fat empire ready to try conquering the rest of Iberia.


All right; I have my reservations, but I'll allow it.

Edit: Yes.
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Hm... That would limit its ability to actually influence anything to the east. I'm looking at some maps, and yeah, it's WAY reduced by 1254. I can't make a great argument for it being able to interact with the Byzantines.

I'll go back to the drawing board. I'd rather not play Egypt... I've been trying to get an accurate picture of Tunis in 1254 and have been having some trouble doing so.

Tunis is where I'd like to start from if possible.
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Hm... That would limit its ability to actually influence anything to the east. I'm looking at some maps, and yeah, it's WAY reduced by 1254. I can't make a great argument for it being able to interact with the Byzantines.

I'll go back to the drawing board. I'd rather not play Egypt... I've been trying to get an accurate picture of Tunis in 1254 and have been having some trouble doing so.

Tunis is where I'd like to start from if possible.


It's allowed; I'd love to see what you do with the Maghreb.

Also, respond to my PM?
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@Letter Bee I'm thinking Sultanate of Rum, so I can wreck your arse.

EDIT: Oh wait, that's mongols at this point, shit, than I guess I'll be Kaykaus II's horde
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@Letter Bee I'm thinking Sultanate of Rum, so I can wreck your arse.


Heh, I'd love to see you try!

Seriously, though, sorry for cockblocking your other choices.

Edit: Nin'jad!
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