ArenaSnow

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@Vas Khaleencan't wait to see it
@ArenaSnowI think either idea will be great.

@pandapolio

The trick is - one or the other, or both. The decision's just not coming to a clear conclusion for me.

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Well, might as well open myself to potential discussions on relations. Still unsure of which character concept to put into use - developing sheets for both - but the ideas are a hardline admiral controlling a relatively small force of 4-5 ships to investigate and disrupt pirate activities in the area, newly arrived to support any existing forces, as an implication of a down-the-road force to act upon this unit's findings. The captain himself would have a long history of greasing the right palms while ruthlessly sidelining or outright murdering his rivals in London politics, giving him a reputation of an effective, though not very popular soldier who is perfect for dealing with "barbaric pirates". The other idea is a more carefree pirate who spent three months as a captain and gave the task to someone else to avoid getting killed, who has massive drinking issues, a bunch of friends who generally consider him odd but, at least in recent years, somewhat reliable as an extra hand on the crew. If nothing else, for a solid reputation as a swordsmen with an attitude and sense of humor, when he's not drunk or indulging in other popular vices.

In Defense Of The Genre [Part II]

<Snipped quote by Andreyich>

we cant have conversation if we dont care about each other.

@Gareth

We don't have to care about each other, but we can make a minimal bloody attempt to be civil.

Otherwise the whole line about changing things for the better looks like nonsense and is far easier to dismiss.

In Defense Of The Genre [Part II]

I don't see what new things can be added to the topic at hand without
> Hank speaking for Mahz to address the key points mentioned here,
> Mahz speaking for himself in an open post in this thread, the far more optimal course

Otherwise, 'yall have already said your pieces, and you're just going in circles on the same old shit. The most important factor - the face that actually owns this place - is the factor that can add something new to the discussion, and take everything that is said and turn it into something cohesive.

Otherwise there's not much of a point to going on and on and on here. As for when he gets back -

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In Defense Of The Genre [Part II]

<Snipped quote by ArenaSnow>

No, it does not. It was completely separate paragraph, in the conclusion of the text and, as I said, it meantions what happens every so often to bad leaders throught the course of history. That paragraph doesn't have Mahz name on it for a reason. It's the conclusion of the historic argument.

It's just a matter of reading that with a slightly educated and mature mind to perceive it.

I'm not calling you not educated, by the way. In fact, I'm glad that you have pointed what was the misunderstood bit. But again, take it by face value, just as it's written and meant to be taken, and this issue disappears.

@RWBY Spectre

The context was in the post at large, and it seems to me that it's easily understood as being a reference directly to Mahz. Some would assume different, but presumably, that's where Hank also based his writings on the 'overthrow' case.

The explained context isn't necessarily bad, but a better split likely could have been made. That said, with that explanation of context, it sounds alright to me now, not involving myself in other portions of this discussion.

Mahz's Dev Journal

@ArenaSnow I have seen this done before on other forums - It can both work and fail, as with all things. The best system I have witnessed before was when there were a set of nominees placed from both staff and members of the community. Yes, the final say would have to lay with Mahz since he is the Admin. (Sorry but Hank would not do for this since he while he is the co-admin, he is part of the moderation staff) - General vote after ~background check~ - The check would include checking through the previous posts of a member and any complaints made against them, as well as a time frame for people to post their concerns for each. All pro's and con's for each would need to be listed out before a final vote is taken.

Who they report to, it would be Mahz, but they wouldn't have power persay, only the standing of recommendation for or again said ban/staff member.

Now, I do understand that this is a another level bureaucracy and that is something I am normally against. Yet due to the current issues, it does not seem that a compromise would be found. I am more than open to better ideas, this is just a suggestion for something in the meantime.

Personally I don't think it would even be a suggestion if there was some sort of checks and balances for the staff members and bans put into place, or any complaint on the forum for that matter. Just does not seem to be right now. I also feel that the staff should have been put through a more rigorous check and monitored more carefully before being given a position of power on the forum. (Perhaps it would have avoided some of the issues.)

Some of the staff I have the upmost respect for, others I believe should be stripped of their title. I do not bother to report anymore because of several reasons. Yet that is neither here nor there but this has been an idea bouncing around in my head for about the last year. Due to present concerns I felt it was time to voice it.

Will it work? Lord only knows. It could, it could back fire completely. If anything, hopefully it will at least start a discussion of ways to better monitor not only the forum but the staff themselves. The forum could disintegrate into chaos without the mods, there would be no forum without its members. Both sides need a system of accountability; the members have that because of the staff. The staff does not and leaves the current environment far too lopsided.

Again, if anyone has a better suggestion or a way to make something work - I am all ears. This is just a simple suggestion to ring attention to the need.

@Lady Amalthea

I am firstly stepping out of the discussion thus far, mostly because Mahz is the critical factor that has not been presented in the issue. Mods and members have beaten the issue to death and presented what they wanted - Mahz must make his input known for the discussion to move forwards.

That said, it sounds like we'd be introducing risk, bureaucracy and the possibility of the factors I mentioned for an issue that may be best resolved simply by having staff be more transparent in the first place. I don't want councils to enforce councils and things to create either a) a line of red tape on a site with a simple goal and simple structure or b) a "committee" that works about as effectively as I find they usually do. That is to say, without a very strong backbone, they'd flop at first sight of struggle.

This is stuff that is best done in the beginning, not as a kneejerk a decade later.

The core of solving this issue is with Mahz. The ball is in his court; and so all we are doing is circlejerking over the same bloody issue that we have all seen cases presented for, by mods and members. But this suggestion, I feel, simply does not fit in tune with the way the site works.

In Defense Of The Genre [Part II]

A leader that doesn't act as a leader doesn't deserve to lead. There are only three routes that you can go from there: Either he changes, he steps down, or he's deposed... or you be like the Brazilian government, that's your choice as well.

@RWBY Spectre

Does this not refer to Mahz?

I'm not even sure how the financial backbone and primary developer of the site would step down without chaos, and the deposition seems rather... out of place.

If that wasn't what you meant, there wasn't even a point to typing it out in the first place, eh?

Escapism

If you were born before the turn of the century,

Am I reading this wrong, or are you excluding everyone who is older than 17? Before the turn of the century sounds like 1999, 1998, 1996, et al...

Edit: All fixed ;)