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Considering the state of disregard of our little community in the past several months, it seems like it's safe to assume that this project holds no interest anymore for those higher up the ladder, or that for whatever reason Mahz won't ever again come to give even the least bit of maintenance to this place.

So, the next time we face any IT related crisis, may as well be the last. At least I don't think we will ever get any form of maintenance in the future if the site goes down again.

With that in mind, what are you plans to the future if that ever happens? Do you back up any important resources, cherished ideas, and contacts? Would you give up on the hobby? Move to another site?

When the guild finally dies and doesn't come back anymore, what will you do?
I'm not very sure about it, but... isn't thread hijacking, by the Moderation team's newest member, no less, a very bad example of what conducts the community should follow or not?

If you guys close a thread because it was causing problems, any attempts to recreate one like it get shut down, as per the rules so... why is it that you can do it and we not?
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Does this not refer to Mahz?

I'm not even sure how the financial backbone and primary developer of the site would step down without chaos, and the deposition seems rather... out of place.

If that wasn't what you meant, there wasn't even a point to typing it out in the first place, eh?


No, it does not. It was completely separate paragraph, in the conclusion of the text and, as I said, it meantions what happens every so often to bad leaders throught the course of history. That paragraph doesn't have Mahz name on it for a reason. It's the conclusion of the historic argument.

It's just a matter of reading that with a slightly educated and mature mind to perceive it.

I'm not calling you not educated, by the way. In fact, I'm glad that you have pointed what was the misunderstood bit. But again, take it by face value, just as it's written and meant to be taken, and this issue disappears.

While I'm here:

@Inkarnate

Just give up, dude. That's all I have to say, considering those likes of yours.
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He's a hobbyist website admin, not the despot of a banana republic. He doesn't "lead" anybody. He gives you a space to fulfill your roleplaying needs, and we (the rest of the staff) help him take care of spambots, misplaced posts and trolls. That's it. That's all this place is. And frankly, your assumptions about his motives for creating, hosting and maintaining the site are disingenuous, and comparing a -- let me remind you again -- hobbyist forum to a democratic nation is at least melodramatic, if not outright ridiculous.

And by the way, websites are never democratic. The internet is an exercise in benevolent dictatorship to begin with.

If you thought my earlier post was vitriolic I implore you to reconsider your knowledge of the meaning of that word, but fear not -- I'll educate you on its meaning right now. Many of the points raised in this thread are valid. Yours are not. I don't appreciate your sensationalism and I'd prefer if you just keep out of the conversation entirely if you can't manage a reasonable level of discourse. Several people have complained in this very thread that users are blowing the issues out of proportion and your post is a textbook example of that very same thing. Overthrow Mahz? What the fuck are you talking about? Do you have the slightest idea how the internet works? And are you seriously implying that he go read a book written about war to learn how to administrate a hobbyist internet forum?

You need to get some perspective.


Don't pull a straw man on me, please.

When was it that I asked anyone to overthrow Mahz? Point a single quote on my post that suggests that? I'm being reasonable in my criticisms. If you can't handle the discussion, then don't join it.

By the way, are any of you mods actually reply to these questions in a honest way or are you keep on dodging them, whenever you see a chance of bitting the sensationalism bullet?

I mean, up to now we haven't had a single straight answer from the staff, just blame pushing and "we are having a discussion" comments that bear no fruit at all.

Are you going to promote positive change or not? That's the only question I think that pretty much everyone here cares for. Avoide replying this once more if you want, but I'll keep asking it as many times as needed.

Until you listen and answer, or say out lod that you don't care.

Again, don't pull a straw man on me, discuss this like an adult.
To all of those reading/taking part on this thread.

I'll be sincere with you all.

Based on what I have seen of this discussion until now, I don't think that it's going to achieve any objective other than a revision of the bans of the people mentioned multiple times on this thread.

The majority staff isn't just eneough transparent, mature, and open to criticism enough to come here and discuss this with the community. Of the ones that posted here until now, @Ruby and @NuttsnBolts, seen like they just came to try to save face and looking like they are open to discussion, when they trully aren't. In fact, Nutt's first post on this discussion was an open attempt to shut down all dialogue and shift the blame on the community and, especially @Cyndyr, this thread's OP.

*On the question of why we do not allow other members to create an appeal for a ban member, the last two cases show the various extremes of someone who has obeyed the rules of their ban, and someone who intends to continue with their immaturity. We need to evaluate the user on an individual level.
(Nyt: Your Discord ban is currently being reviewed)


This is probably one of the worst issues of the moderation so far, this no discussion policy and no thrid party appeal. It just doesn't make sense, especially when the mods can just use their function's prerogative to ignore whatever they want... until the situation explodes, like this.

The next point I would like to address is Cyndyr's decision for quoting my Private discussion with her. You by no means were obligated to display the additional portion of that discussion that I held with you, but you chose to do so. The reason why I directed you to Ruby was because I had no part in that discussion and if you would like to remedy any views on your persona then it would probably be a wiser decision to talk to the Staff Member in question rather than someone who was at the time heading second hand news.

As pointed out you and Ruby had some sort of dispute that branches back to before the creation of RPG Official and you should be the one to take responsibility for those actions. The mention of accountability has been bought up in this thread, but by creating this thread you have also involved multiple members of the community who have nothing to do with the events being discussed. Do you take ownership for that in the same way that I have taken ownership for the bans, and mistakes, that I have made within my short time as a moderator?

Your actions here, combined with Grim's actions, and even the actions of the staff, have affected many members in a negitive way. Friendships have been lost, trust shattered throughout the community, and the screenshots of who is the worse person needs to stop if we have any desire to move forward. Continuing to fight, rather than discuss; aggravated rants, rather than reports; and even quick reactions rather than a step back and reflection, have all stopped people from roleplaying and forced them into a battle of site politics. In future, raise your concerns through the correct channels so we can deal with them more efficiently.


Declarations such as this are dangerous in so many ways that it's even hard to name them. If publicly denouncing potential power abuse and asking for explanations by relying on the power of the community is so wrong, explain to me why is it that the democratic government model (flawed as it's), is still the system most people in the world perfer to live under?

Conformism and behind the doors discussion aren't ways to improve, just push this further and further towards a dictatorship-like status.

Throughout all of the history of mankind, there were always people willing to sacrifice themselves for change and those willing to crush the voice of the opposition. Which group are you in?




To conclude I will not be discussing this post any more and if someone wishes to see additional evidence on the bans, to discuss the accountability of the staff, or to question the meaning of my message, they are to PM me directly. Keep in mind that you will be talking to a site moderator and if I deem the topic not to a satisfactory, mature level I will declare the topic annul.


This one is hardly worthy commenting. It was just a plain and not even veiled at all attempt to kill the debate. Nevertheless, it failed and Nutts came back anyway. The intent is clear but it couldn't hold up against the pressure of the masses. I would like to believe that it signals change, but that's not so evident up to now.

Will it be someday? Who knows?

@Kangaroo

You are the only one that still has my unconditional respect up to now, based on your declarations. Nevertheless, if the mods are discussing among themselves, like you said, whys is it that they can't come over here and be open with us? Just as pointed by others in this thread? The only impression that their secrecy gives off is that the moderation is either plotting a way to quell the discussion or... taking the coward's route and waiting for the "fire to die out" befre they can come crawling out of the Discord bunker.

This is seriously one of the most disgusting demonstrations of behavior form public figures that I have seen in quite a while. It's just insane how none of you can see it. Shocking, is the only word I have to say.

I was about to ignore my guests for a long time to write a post to address everything in this thread and then I realized that's very inappropriate, so you'll have to wait until next week. Apologies.


You have greatly disappointed me by promissing to address the needs of the community over the course of the week and not popping back even once.

When you do come back it's to post a snide comment such as the one above. I mean, if don't have time and or interest for this thread, at least don't post this kind of obviously vitriolic comment.

Please, don't make this look like it's a non-issue. It's not.

Finally, to address the elephant in the room that no one else is willing to poke:

Where is @Mahz at a time like this? Please, don't come to me and say that he's having problems with RL business. Unless he's stuck in a hospital bed, or is taking care of someone who's, it's impossible that he can't spare even an hour of his time to come and take care of the community he created.

It's just blatant irresponsibility. He wants to reap the laurels of being the creator and director of this site, of having his work praised, but doesn't want to be open and discuss stuff with us when it matters? When we bring valid and important questions to him? That's just not how a leader behaves, simple as that.

To conclude my statement, just beware that this kind of situation (lack of leadership qualities from those in command) can be easily addressed by applying the principles of basic leadership presented by people like Sun Tzu in the past. A quick read of the Art of War, is probably enough to have you reflect on your actions and try to come back here for a proper discussion and with a positive attitude towards this community.

A leader that doesn't act as a leader doesn't deserve to lead. There are only three routes that you can go from there: Either he changes, he steps down, or he's deposed... or you be like the Brazilian government, that's your choice as well.

Cordially,

— RS
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As for everyone else, I'll be replying to all valid points of discussion in this thread over the course of this week. I'd also like to make it clear that I definitely won't be banning anyone for speaking their mind about the administration in this thread... as long as they don't break any other site rules in doing so. Nobody is in the "firing line" for a ban here.


That's really good to see. Most of us, except one person that's actively trying to kill the discussion with fallacies and fearmongering, came here because we have felt that this is a real problem that needs to be addressed.

Constructive criticism and or diverging opinions should never be seen as threats, or censored "for the greater good" as long as they are being discussed in a civil manner. We are hungry for answers and rightfully so, since we are just pooling together to open the debate.

The simple fact that you (the whole admin/mod body, I assume) have finally acknowledged that and accepted this as a channel of communication with the community, is enough to earn a bit of my respect. It may not be much but at least it's a sign of good will.

I don't think that there's anything else I can add to this discussion at this point. I'll be waiting for your replies/clarification.

Thanks and see you later.
Well, I think that the staff (at least one official representative of it like @Hank) should come here and address this issue properly. I'm sure that I'm also putting myself on the ban line for doing this comment (especially after returnign to the Guild briefly, after RL made me unable to do anything after I joined), but this has grown into a real community problem.

Silence or repression are just going to brew it further until the Mods lose all their credibility. No matter who was it that began the issue, you are the figures of power here, you are the only ones that can solve it. Omitting yourselves/banning people/locking threads to hide behind your wall of power will solve nothing, just create more martyrs.

Of course, if your intention is an ideological purge, go ahead, the site is private so it technically is yours to do as you see fit. Even if this "see fit" is to purge the site of all of the opposition and leave this a community with just half a dozen dedicated d*cksuckers to pamper your inflated ego.
@RWBY Spectre

I said I'd make a few exceptions. It depends on the photo. If its like your signature. No. I tend to prefer 3D anime, ones that look semi reliastic.


Excuse me, but I can't see anything 3D about this:



Just a character that breaks not only the image request but also the age one (she's 13, when the CS mentions 15).

Look, if you want to favor one person, above all others, it's ok, but at least be honest. I'm asking you because that CS is blatantly contradictory to the rest and to your requests. Would it be that hard to get some genuine clarifications about reason why other people can't do the same?
@AngelofOctober

This story caught my curiosity.

However, I have a question, given what I've seen up to now. Are you allowing anime pictures/thematics now? The CS sas no, but one of the approved characters is an anime style magical cat girl. Did you change your politics, or is it just a special case that most don't fall into?

Just wanting to be sure, before I commit an idea.
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