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8 yrs ago
Current Seeya next week, Guild. Signing off.
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Merry Christmas
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8 yrs ago
Elder Scrolls RP, now with the Creation Club!
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8 yrs ago
It's happening again. I have been visited by a soviet mad scientist, a king, a penguin prince of darkness, a house plant god thing, a mystical ancient member, a tired reaper (thank god) + a greeting.
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8 yrs ago
For the same reason Rome 2 was attacked by thousands of players who don't know what they're talking about. lleeeeeeemmmmings
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@Poi Then like Snow i think you two do not understand where i am coming from in terms of creativity or the ability to take a character and start from a set point then. I would like nothing more than to have a roleplay around anime or manga and i do not believe my are limited and i think it's a limit on the creativity angle for both of you and i think both of you believe what i want is terrible.


This post ^ explains part of your problem. If you refuse to accept it or not is not really my concern, but for a single and final time, I'll explain it to you.

In terms of creativity, what you've displayed is the inability to see why people may look at a list of "canon x oc" pairings (that have no plot suggestions included and come from a total of six canons) and determine there is a limited scope that because your only pairings are canon x oc with no suggestions as to what would go on in the roleplay. The only generas are basically anime, and the only pairings are canon x oc. Therefore, your interest check can be shortened to "I want anime canon x oc pairings". That's fine, but you're missing many of the other things that people would also look for. What you're looking for is a specific form of roleplaying (based on the check, which, to be honest, is rather short in the details) for a specific set of canons. That puts you in front of a limited audience, and so your exposure is reduced.

Based on your responses and admission, you don't take well to critical replies. That in and of itself shows you're inflexible. You are not flexible because instead of reading our points and asking why we made them, you immediately go on the defensive and create nonsensical "Negative Zone" memes determine others lack an imagination when your interest check is what seems to be lacking in content. No plots, just a list of canon x oc anime pairings. If that's all that goes on in your literary world, fine. That's not how everyone else works. If your immediate reaction to honest replies why people may not contact you as much as they would other checks is an example of how you treat people in general, then that gives an OOC reason why some people might just pass over and not want to deal with it.

I would like nothing more than to have a roleplay around anime or manga


Nothing more. Ergo, you don't want more, and so you are limiting yourself to the canons of a few select anime or manga verses. Again, if that's your literary world, fine, but there's much more content that exists than that.

But the way you commented you harshly criticized what i wanted anyway


I told you, in less words than my first post in this thread, that your offerings were fairly limited and revolved around canon x oc. I treat "blunt/honest" different from "harsh". Harsh connotates that I have some sort of investment or am acting to knock you off some sort of pedestal. At the time, I didn't really care. You complained, and I offered a reason why. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it harsh. If someone else comes in and said "yeah, that was pretty harsh" I'll give it another look and reconsider.

i normally don't take criticism well anyway.


This is part of the problem. Criticism is key to actually learning anything. An echo chamber doesn't help you improve, and it doesn't solve your problem.

To me in my interest checks it is NOT limited to me and i still believe that there are some still that lack imagination or a open viewpoint when it comes to things like a interest check.


To me
NOT limited to me

That's great, but, you're not appealing to you. Interest checks, and roleplaying in general, depends on you to look beyond your sphere of thoughts and interests to what other people might also like. You're entitled to your opinions, but the fact remains - if you're having such a problem finding people, perhaps there's something wrong with either the presentation of the opinions or with the way those opinions are matching with other people. Are you suggesting that all the people who pass by your roleplays lack the imagination to pull off a canon x oc roleplay?

Perhaps they just want something of a different flavor?... again, you don't put much in your interest check, so on that basis alone you don't make it clear as to what you want to go on in the roleplays. People are filling the blanks in themselves, and apparently what is going into the blanks isn't very good, or we wouldn't be having this conversation.

And as for an open viewpoint, I think I made enough foundation in this post so far to say that you need to open your own viewpoint a little more.

i think both of you believe what i want is terrible.


I feel like you're going to ignore all this(...)


Apparently I was proven right, because not once did I say what you had was terrible. I do freely say that what you offer is somewhat limited and that you are unable to recognize that.

it's a limit on the creativity angle


I'm not the one who made a thread that included six similar anime/manga canons featuring exclusively canon x oc pairings without even one plot suggestion.
I've already commented that the list of pairings displayed in your interest check give the impression of you just wanting to do anime canon x OC, which can appear as a limited selection to an outsider. It's not about the number of canon x OC pairings, it's the fact that they are all canon x OC pairings at a quick glance. In addition, it's for a somewhat limited selection of canons. The amount of people that may express interest could decrease because who you happen to have passing by may be skimming titles and pairings to get an idea of what the other person wants.

Approaching such criticism by saying people have no imagination and live in the mysterious "Negative Zone" does nothing to aid your cause. It makes you appear temperamental, and has the reverse effect of making you look not particularly imaginative or open to critique - something I would think is critical, that is, being open to critique and also critiquing yourself. I think the discord is a cesspool anyways, so I don't really take conversations and comments there seriously.

Roleplaying in general is afflicted with apathy. It's just how humans work. They think they want something, then they do it, and then they go "...meh" after a while. Sometimes they differ. But in the grand scheme of roleplaying, that's more the exception than the rule.

If you're not feeling understood with what you want, communicate that. Open a side PM or use a thread's OOC section. Constant OOC conversation is helpful to keeping a roleplay alive. When the OOC conversation dies out, you know something is off. Communication is the primary way to drive things, and if you don't have some sort of line of communication going besides posting in IC and simmering because the other person is doing something you don't like, then that RP is likely doomed to fail. The only way someone's going to improve is if you tell them your thoughts in the first place and make sure the picture is clear.

When waiting for a reply, communication is also important - poke people if they wait beyond the normal time of waiting. Sometimes they forget, or it's writer's block, or they lost you in a sea of their real life things... either way, the first step is to lightly harass them and see what the circumstances are, and therefore have a fairly complete image of what's going on so you don't get depressed about a short wait that can be caused by a myriad of reasons.

I feel like you're going to ignore all this and throw away 7 minutes, but meh, what's 7 minutes >.<

Might as well say that I'm here too.

The big question - "What next?"
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This might have been suggested before but would the implementation of specific section mods be an idea worth considering? Sort of in the same vein as the Arena Mod where you have people who do a lot of roleplaying in one area become a sub-mod for that section. IE is Jimmy101 does a lot of Casual RPing than he can put his name forward to be a Casual RP sub-mod and users could vote for him or something like that.

Their jurisdiction would only be to the area they're so they Jimmy101 the Casual submod couldn't go into Free or Advanced and exercise his power there. Of course this could lead to people throwing around their new found weight in that area but the actual mods would always be one step above them and have final say in what the submods do, overruling their judgement in place of their own.

This concept would effectively tackle a few different problems in one fell swoop. You would have more active mods since it would be people who are actively and constantly RPing in that section moderating them. Plus their experience in that section means they could have some sort of specialty in that area? (Not so sure on that bit but oh well). It would give players a more direct way of contact someone with power in the event its needed without waiting on a full mod to just happen to wander into their thread.


I mean, I'm probably going to start a new flame war with this, but I'm gonna post anyways.

That doesn't actually solve issues; it opens the window to some of the same problems that other sites have collapsed from handling.

Jimmy101 has a group of friends in the Casual section. Lets assume most of the casual section roleplays, and would be pretty halfhearted when nominating mods outside of a whim of the moment decision (like most elections, really) and so Jimmy submits his name and the noisy group of friends says "JIMMY! JIMMY!" and other people say "meh, just don't mess with my RP and we're OK." Jimmy roleplays a lot, but shall we say he doesn't GM too often. Jimmy's friends vote and maybe drag a few of their friends in to say yes, and nobody really cares to say no.

What you now have is a mod backed by Jimmy's friends who talks a good game about "yes, I can totally handle this" and then does a lackluster job because while he's fairly popular and a good roleplayer, he has little to no administration experience, and has a tendency to skip to banning. Jimmy causes problems, and while other mods keep him in line, Jimmy might not want to be kept in line or care. He has friends, and he draws on those friends to say that the community voted for him, and that the other mods should fuck off (in so many words). Some people might talk to Jimmy, and Jimmy gives them an answer that the other mods wouldn't agree with, but Jimmy has authority and his word is trusted to be true, and so the users who contacted Jimmy in PM don't bother to continue the discussion further.

Thus began the moderation period of Jimmy, held in place because democracy, who really isn't a good moderator but because he has friends and he roleplays a lot, he gets the job anyways. This is far from an impossible scenario. In an election on a small site, people can be propelled by their friends and remain unopposed because not enough people really care or know enough about the job or person (it's not "everyone knows everyone" here) to say "hmm, he might not be the best noderator". People can start off looking like OK mods, but they do a lackluster job and mess things up in the PM box, and they keep the job because they were voted in and that is the crutch that is used for when higher mods say "you're not doing a very good job".

Moving beyond the hypothetical scenario, is there really a point to section mods? Are there so many issues that a few more general mods couldn't handle deletion requests/minor issue resolutions that seem to be most of what goes on with this site outside of this subforum? What happens when the section mod is the only one online and goes into another section, only to find "...right, I don't have power... uh... wait for the real mods guys"?

Most issues should be handled by the GM. It's kinda your job as the GM to establish law and order. Higher mods only come in when people refuse to leave after the GM tells them to fuck off, and to my knowledge, that doesn't happen very often. Section issues in Casual are more than likely just issues with the GM being lazy or not using their site-given authority to say "go away" when the time is right.

And to comment on a specific sentence;

Plus their experience in that section means they could have some sort of specialty in that area?


It depends on the type of experience; roleplaying =/= moderation skill. Rilla I'd excuse on this because in the Arena, there's more collaborative organizing going on, while in Casual it's a free for all, everyone GMs their own thing. A good roleplayer writes well, that doesn't say anything about how they handle situations requiring authority. A good GM is perhaps a better qualifier, but I'd argue still not quite on the same level.
@ArenaSnow

Except I've cleared up some misunderstandings about my actions, if you went back a few pages. I've engaged with Rilla and such. I've also replied to melonhead.

You can dismiss what we say, i really don't care. I'm not going to stop you from doing that.

But you can't claim

"Yes, the victim trend is becoming rather strong, isn't it."

Is a reasonable or logical response to advance the thread.


Nor are the preceding posts that triggered the comment.

If you & co refuse to see why the stance and attitude you adapt is causing you to be taken less seriously, it's not my issue. Just don't be surprised when the same people will continue not to take you seriously.
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Except the last time a similar thread was made, people screamed about the same thing, offering little commentary or the repeated commentary about how the people supportive of the thread were being "sensationalist" or "a vocal minority".

And it's happening again.

If you're just going to sit here and make baity replies then just leave. Other people have stated the same viewpoint more logically.

Yes, we know you don't like this thread, or many of the suggestions made. If so, say your piece and be done with it. Stop going on a tangent about your supposed view of any of the people supportive of this thread. We know already, you're just repeating the same rhetoric over and over again.


But see, the only one in your little core who seems to be taking the point of this thread seriously is the OP.

I don't agree with all of what Odin posts, and I do consider him biased to some degree, but he's actually bothered to advance the topic, while you & co are simply crying victim and not really doing anything in the discussion. I wouldn't consider Odin's post to be sensationalist, but I would say your post can fit that distinction. By going on and making this thread the same as the last by continuing this silly little conversation, you're lending validity to those who automatically dismiss you because they already have a bias from the last time.
Yes, the victim trend is becoming rather strong, isn't it.
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