Burning Kitty

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Absolutely not. The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is inalienable. It is imperative. It is the absolute cornerstone of the United States and it extends to disabled people.

@mdk

They have the right to live, doesn't mean the tax payers have to fund that life.
They have the right to liberty, doesn't mean the tax payers have to fund that liberty.
They have the right to pursuit of happiness, doesn't mean the tax payers have to fund that pursuit of happiness.

You have the right but you have to pay for it yourself. Otherwise where does the false entitlement end?

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I'm not sure that Kitty meant what they said in this fashion. My interpretation (and Kitty can correct me if I'm wrong) is that they meant poor or disabled citizens should not have more rights than anyone else. She/he seems to be of the position that taxes sent to public welfare are not required because they aren't necessarily going to materials that the welfare receivers need but instead go to luxuries they couldn't afford on their own.

EDIT: And that this includes healthcare within the non-consensual use of their tax dollars.

@Dark Wind

I don't care how people spend their money as long as they spending their money not tax payer money. Tax payer money should never go to an individual or business* ever. Tax payer money should only go to things that benefit everyone, i.e. parks, roads, bridges, defense, other infrastructure.

*If a business or person sells their goods or services to a government department it is for them to get tax payer money.

Ah I think I see, people are going to intentionally start whacking their spines so they can't work and get that sweet sweet disability money.

@Andreyich

I have seen it. Not to that extreme, I have a good for nothing cousin who is on disability because he intentionally hurt himself. He gets less now than when he worked but he should be working for that money not setting on his fat ass playing video games.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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You don't need to give money on welfare to support the disabled.

@Andreyich

You clearly are not reading the conversation. Government enabling disabled and those unwilling to work are the same wrong thing.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

But it does bring up an interesting dilemma. Does the NFL, as an organization, have he right to define its own speech? On the one hand, players (assuming citizenship) have constitutional protections in place for their own speech. On the other, they're wearing an NFL uniform, they're employed by the NFL, they're representing the NFL. Does the NFL get to say "No, sorry, you can't do that or you're fired?"

@mdk

news.grabien.com/story-roger-goodell-…

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.

Whether or not team owners can fire them may be up to individual contracts with players. Either they are disrespectful asses who should leave this country and never come back. North Korea might be a better home for those neanderthals.

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Fantastic. That's exactly what you should be doing. Keep doing it (like you need me to say it). Everybody else should be doing this too. Save your goddamn money folks.

@mdk

They won't and they deserve whatever happens.

Anywho. I could keep going but I get the distinct impression you're not entirely serious. Could be wrong. w/e.

@mdk

You are definitely wrong. I am sick and tired of seeing the leeches with $100 shoes but bitching and complaining because they ain't given enough for food when half of their shopping cart if full of the most expensive meat you can buy. They are nothing but lazy, entitled assholes who need to be forced to work doing the absolute worst jobs.

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Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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I'm pretty sure you're not disabled in any way (other than holding these opinions?) so that's a wrong spot to make that argument from.

@Andreyich

According to @mdk it is a guarantee I will be disabled unless I die first, so not wrong spot.

As for opinions making a person disabled, that is a slippery slope. To bad we already fell down that slope and all hope for humanity was gored to death at the bottom of the slope.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

My point is, a safety net -- even one you don't need right now -- is a good thing for everybody, within reason.

@mdk

That is why I have a Roth IRA, savings accounts, numerous certificate of deposits, and a separate investment account.

I won't need no stinking government "safety net."

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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So we should let the disabled just rot?

@Andreyich

You don't have to let them rot, but if you want to do something it should be done by you personally or by charities.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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What if you're disabled and what little neetbux the government provides aren't sufficient?

@Andreyich

Not my problem, tax money should never be used to benefit a single person, only things like infrastructure, military, stuff that benefits everyone. They shouldn't be getting any neetbux in the first place, nothing more than government theft.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

providr.com/teens-killed-robbing-hous…
Three teenagers, ages 18, 17, and 16 respectively broke into someone's home to rob them. After discovering them in the act and 'exchanging words,' the home-owner gunned all three boys down. Thoughts?

@POOHEAD189

Three less morons in the world. Absolutely no loss. They would have would ended up as leeches sucking off the teet of the taxpayers.