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11 yrs ago
Current My life has been reduced to 200 measley characters, and I can't even seem to make use of every one.
11 yrs ago
Now I want a trophy.
11 yrs ago
Having trouble waking up today.

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Squees Games said
Is it that I don't have a proper name you can call me by? This account was made to be an account Squee and I could both use, so neither of us needed the others password to do things for the game, especially with the PM system Squee is planning on using. But do you want something to call me by?


That'd be nice, Jerry.
Squees Games said
XD Does it really bother you that much not knowing who I am? It's really funny actually. ~(o.o)~ Maybe I'm a ghost? The ghost of Squee games past.


I think you need a better account name. How about Jerry?
mdk said
Exactly. And I don't disagree - but the reaction has been 'Ham thinks Creation, and creation is stupid,' not 'Ham's presentation was flawed in the sense that this piece of data was incorrect.'


I think it was more that Ham kept presenting the Bible as a literal truth. But when asked if it was a literal truth, he had to redefine the word literal before he could answer.

The problem lies where Creationism diverged from modern science. If the diverging point was Darwinism, the Creationists have to continue to rationalize how modern science, apart from evolution, can coexist with the creationist model of the universe. Astrophysics, relativity, electromagnetism, radioactivity, molecules, bacteria and viruses, vaccines, and such and so forth exist in the world because of modern science, and these are the kinds of things that Creationists have to try to fit into their model. But it's like fitting a square peg into a round hole, many of these disciplines are intrinsically linked to and provide evidence for the idea of evolution. Since that's what Creationists reject, they're hard pressed to dance around the specific theories that can lend support to evolution while taking advantage of what modern science offers, and the technology we've produced based on our understanding of it.

So it's not that Creationism is fundamentally flawed. It's like being Amish in a world of cell phones, automobiles and the Internet. You can't just pick and choose which science you accept. But that's what Ken Ham was pushing on stage tonight, a model of the world where parts of modern science are cherrypicked to fit into a very narrow and closed-minded view of the universe. The possibilities in Creationism aren't endless, they're finite.
Shy said
I have no issue with him being a Christian, heck, I'm a Christian. His mistake to me is using the Bible as literal, factual evidence for Creationism without contextualization.


To be fair, Bill Nye started off assuming that everyone was familiar with basic science. Considering he was debating at the Creation Museum, I'm going to guess his audience was pretty indoctrinated in Ken Ham's way of thinking. Bill was already facing an uphill battle without overestimating his audience.
Beatrix said
Asshole. Stealing the image I sent you.


Love you too, Bea. ;)
Card said
Yeah, that's public debating. I'm no expert, but I've seen a few. No one wins. There are no judges; these are named, well respected individuals (respected by somebody, at least). Who are you going to get to tell one of them that they lost? The only time there's clear victory conditions is the rare occasion when they have the audience take a position before and after, like Intelligence Squared. It becomes more of a casual discourse at some point, and when the debate is more than a dick measuring contest, it can be interesting to see them discuss. I didn't watch this one because it looked sounded like a big dick contest (and I had other things I wanted to do). How was/is it?


It made it clear to me that Bill Nye is a great presenter to kids but not to adults, but wonderful at argumentative rebuttals.

Ken Ham is a wonderful presenter with honeyed words, but, well, I'll let this graphic explain what he does wrong:
Beatrix said
My Bible says that Jordan is a the cursed word and that the dragon is the prettiest girl at the post office.


I hate that word, Bea. But thank you, your worship is well received.
KuroTenshi said
Sooo what about the thousands of religions that existed before it that had their own origin stories? :p


False. Every one of them. It doesn't matter that they're similar to the Judea-Christian story, they're automatically false becausethebiblesaysso.

The Bible also said Jordan was awesome and you should worship him. No, don't look for it in your copy, it's a later addition, but don't worry, it's inspired by God just the same. ;)
Beatrix said
"Who doesn't use a mobile phone with a camera?"Umm... I don't... >.>


BLASPHEMER!
Beatrix said
I just realized. The majority is plants and algae. : /


I thought the majority was ocean. Blue.
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