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rush99999With all of that aside for now, I'm wondering, who is going to be posting next? I'm presuming it's the Birdy to react with the Draik, but I can go next if need-be?
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I think I'm Advanced+ level and could do that. But under Adv, I feel compelled to write a certain way and it makes writing feel more like a chore even if it's just in my head. Thus, I prefer Casual
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I think I'm Advanced+ level and could do that. But under Adv, I feel compelled to write a certain way and it makes writing feel more like a chore even if it's just in my head. Thus, I prefer Casual
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Many people equate "Advanced" to "Big, high effort posts with lots of flowery language." It's a habitual thought I struggle to shake as an RPer with 20+ years of writing experience. It's very draining
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So what is starting money? Also sent you a message Digi.
You can choose to either take the Starting Equipment the class gives you, OR you can roll for wealth using the site's dice feature. If you choose to do this, though, you'll need to post a link to your roll here in the chat.
If you're using Sorcerer, rolling for wealth will give you 3d4*10 gp. So with a maximum roll, you could end up with 120 GP. But with a minimum roll, you would end up with 30 GP.
For Backgrounds, if your pet is a normal, simple color (like Red, Purple, Pink, Green, etc.) then you can use any Background you want, and you could get some spare GP from that. But if you want something a bit more advanced in color, like Darigan or Faerie, then it's probably more important to work out what that will be with the group; especially okaying it with the DM.
And actually, now that I think about it, I might remove his heavier armor altogether... I like to think that Meridell is a bit "cheaper" on its regulation armor. As much as I like the idea of having a natural AC of 18, I think I'm gonna just have him rely on a Chain Shirt for now. xD It'll probably be a bit more fun for his character that way...and I don't have to worry about the semantics of him lugging around an entire second set of armor everywhere he goes xD
@Moon Man Oh right, I should also point out something that might have been missed due to my difficulty in describing appearances as well as my character sheet not being 100% accurate.
Ferrin is actually not wearing his full suit of armor, and is dressed more casually at the moment; he is wielding his sword and shield on his back, but atm, the armor he's wearing is his Chain Shirt, beneath more casual clothing. I changed his current AC on his character sheet to accomodate for this. (He now has 13+1+2=16 instead of his 16+2=18 Chainmail). He tends to avoid traveling in his heavier armor for the sake of comfort, preferring to instead don his armor in preparation in preparation for when he is ready to actually embark on something where he anticipates needing it, like going into a dungeon or walking onto a battlefield.
Ferrin is actually not wearing his full suit of armor, and is dressed more casually at the moment; he is wielding his sword and shield on his back, but atm, the armor he's wearing is his Chain Shirt, beneath more casual clothing. I changed his current AC on his character sheet to accomodate for this. (He now has 13+1+2=16 instead of his 16+2=18 Chainmail). He tends to avoid traveling in his heavier armor for the sake of comfort, preferring to instead don his armor in preparation in preparation for when he is ready to actually embark on something where he anticipates needing it, like going into a dungeon or walking onto a battlefield.
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I certainly understand the feeling, and that's why I like the idea of branching out from the Wizard to make it its own designated class. The biggest problem is that this class as-written is just everything that makes the Wizard strong, plus extra stuff. It even borrows feats FROM the Necromancy Wizard here and there (which is not inherently bad, since they're both Necromancers it would make sense to share them) but it highlights that the class is kind of lazily designed.
I have a knee-jerk reaction to this idea of the d4. I don't like the idea of giving ANYBODY such a small HD. I don't think it'd be a good idea if a character can get knocked out in one shot at level 1 because someone tossed a dagger their way, or cast a simple magic missile. Even at Level 3, on average, a wizard-like character would have 10 HP +/- CON, which is, again, easily one-shot by a lot of enemies at this level. I want to balance this thing, but I also want you to have fun and not get downed immediately so often xD
I'll do a deeper dive into the features and see what I can do to balance these things out a bit more. Like I said, this seems fun, but it is definitely in need of some major reworking. Since you said you were leaning toward the Soul Sect, I'll only really look at that sect for now, though.
Okay, do you think you could go into a bit more detail about the "spiritual nature of death?" I could use this to help balance the class by removing some of the things you don't really want in the class anyway, and maybe better change around some things to make it even more appropriate.
I did pick up on this, but the main problem is that it wants to use Charisma as its spellcasting stat, but the way the Necromancer as-written learns and casts them is identical to the way a Wizard does it: By studying and using their memory and knowledge. It's cool to use Charisma, but the class needs to earn it; it can't just copy-paste the way a Wizard casts spells AND use a different stat to cast with. If they use traits associated with Intelligence to cast their spells, it doesn't really make sense to make them a Charisma caster. They'll need to look toward the Paladin, Bard, etc. for info on how CHA-casting works.
A Paladin and a Warlock utilizes Charisma because their magical power comes from another source: A Paladin's god/other spiritual figure or a Warlock's patron. It is their interactions with that source that grant them their power.
A Bard utilizes Charisma because it's tied into their talents with the arts. It's tied to their ability to create the arts, such as through music. Their source is Charisma-based in Performance and Persuasion, therefore Charisma.
A Sorcerer is naturally born with their magic powers through some other means. They don't have to study magic to have it, nor do they need to receive it from another figure or through any devices. They have a well of magic already inside them, and it is their own force of will that gives it form.
Those are some examples of how Charisma-based magic works, and why they use Charisma. The way they access their magic and cast their spells needs to be focused on charisma to warrant Charisma-based casting.
Honestly, I think for this particular campaign, it may be best to just go with your choice of Sorcerer. But I can still potentially work on that Necromancer on the side; maybe potentially introduce a new character later on.
If this is the route you're wanting to go, may I just say that Dragons are rad af and next time I use a Ranger, I plan on using the new Drakewarden subclass? xD
Anyway, as a rare individual with a fondness for BOTH D&D and Neopets, I've got you on the Draconic Sorcerer. I can probably help you figure that out. I suppose you'd just need to decide on what type of dragon you'd be going for. Because...that could easily determine how easy or difficult this will be to incorporate. But if you opt for Storm instead, since you also seem interested in a sailor of some kind, then that's fine too~
...personally I feel the wizards archetypes don't represent necromancy well enough but I'm someone whose used to 3.5 D&D's sheer amount of options so I'm biased.
I certainly understand the feeling, and that's why I like the idea of branching out from the Wizard to make it its own designated class. The biggest problem is that this class as-written is just everything that makes the Wizard strong, plus extra stuff. It even borrows feats FROM the Necromancy Wizard here and there (which is not inherently bad, since they're both Necromancers it would make sense to share them) but it highlights that the class is kind of lazily designed.
We could give it the d4 HD, give Nec the Wizards sole Class Proficiencies and remove the high level class features
I have a knee-jerk reaction to this idea of the d4. I don't like the idea of giving ANYBODY such a small HD. I don't think it'd be a good idea if a character can get knocked out in one shot at level 1 because someone tossed a dagger their way, or cast a simple magic missile. Even at Level 3, on average, a wizard-like character would have 10 HP +/- CON, which is, again, easily one-shot by a lot of enemies at this level. I want to balance this thing, but I also want you to have fun and not get downed immediately so often xD
I'll do a deeper dive into the features and see what I can do to balance these things out a bit more. Like I said, this seems fun, but it is definitely in need of some major reworking. Since you said you were leaning toward the Soul Sect, I'll only really look at that sect for now, though.
I would like to keep the Sects though. I will say I'm not leaning towards like raising undead armies, I would be interested in playing a necromancer focused on the spiritual nature of death.
Okay, do you think you could go into a bit more detail about the "spiritual nature of death?" I could use this to help balance the class by removing some of the things you don't really want in the class anyway, and maybe better change around some things to make it even more appropriate.
Oh Charisma is related to Undeath a lot, as it is how Undead calculate their lifeforce; that was a big thing in stats and how negative energy effects the world as a whole.
I did pick up on this, but the main problem is that it wants to use Charisma as its spellcasting stat, but the way the Necromancer as-written learns and casts them is identical to the way a Wizard does it: By studying and using their memory and knowledge. It's cool to use Charisma, but the class needs to earn it; it can't just copy-paste the way a Wizard casts spells AND use a different stat to cast with. If they use traits associated with Intelligence to cast their spells, it doesn't really make sense to make them a Charisma caster. They'll need to look toward the Paladin, Bard, etc. for info on how CHA-casting works.
A Paladin and a Warlock utilizes Charisma because their magical power comes from another source: A Paladin's god/other spiritual figure or a Warlock's patron. It is their interactions with that source that grant them their power.
A Bard utilizes Charisma because it's tied into their talents with the arts. It's tied to their ability to create the arts, such as through music. Their source is Charisma-based in Performance and Persuasion, therefore Charisma.
A Sorcerer is naturally born with their magic powers through some other means. They don't have to study magic to have it, nor do they need to receive it from another figure or through any devices. They have a well of magic already inside them, and it is their own force of will that gives it form.
Those are some examples of how Charisma-based magic works, and why they use Charisma. The way they access their magic and cast their spells needs to be focused on charisma to warrant Charisma-based casting.
I'll go Sorcerer then, probably Draconic or Storm.
Honestly, I think for this particular campaign, it may be best to just go with your choice of Sorcerer. But I can still potentially work on that Necromancer on the side; maybe potentially introduce a new character later on.
If this is the route you're wanting to go, may I just say that Dragons are rad af and next time I use a Ranger, I plan on using the new Drakewarden subclass? xD
Anyway, as a rare individual with a fondness for BOTH D&D and Neopets, I've got you on the Draconic Sorcerer. I can probably help you figure that out. I suppose you'd just need to decide on what type of dragon you'd be going for. Because...that could easily determine how easy or difficult this will be to incorporate. But if you opt for Storm instead, since you also seem interested in a sailor of some kind, then that's fine too~
Speaking as someone who's really done his research into 5e, there are a few sticking points to that class that immediately jump out at me personally (especially when I compare it to what would be its alternative, which is the Necromancy Wizard).
1. d8 hit dice versus the Wizard's d6--I'm not entirely sure why a class that is basically a Wizard but with its own set of feats that don't relate to HP gets a bigger hit die. This class is a full caster class, unlike the Artificer. If their feats damaged themselves or something like that, I'd see the reason for it, but as-is, I think it should stay at a d6, personally.
2. Using Charisma instead of Intelligence for the spellcasting ability--I take issue when a homebrew spellcaster class wants to use Charisma instead of Intelligence, because in my experience, more often than not, they really just want to use the "better" stat for spellcasting. This class is flavored like a Wizard: a Necromancer uses a Spellbook, they prepare spells by studying and memorizing them like a Wizard does, and they cast them using their memory and knowledge. There isn't really a reason they should be using Charisma, when all of these traits are tied to Intelligence.
3. Resisting Poison--Now, this isn't as bad as some actual RAW feats that already exist, like how a race can get an IMMUNITY to poison (I'm still constantly wondering wtf WotC were smoking when they came up with Yuan-Ti Pureblood racials). Feats that grant innate resistances are strong as it is, especially if that type is Poison or Fire. But this single, 3rd-level feat is doing two other things on top of that (though I don't personally mind necrotic resistance being tacked on at all, despite Necromancy Wizards not gaining this resistance until Level 10). This gets especially rough when you consider that Wizards don't normally even get a feat at this level in order to balance the fact that they are now capable of preparing and casting their next spell level. Which brings me to my next point of contention....
4. The sheer number of feats--If you look back at the Wizard's class table, you might notice a pattern. They don't get many feats: Starting from Level 2, they get a single feat every fourth level (2, 6, 10, etc.). They get a feat, then nothing, then an ASI, then nothing again, and then another feat. This is because they don't really need that many feats because they can prepare and utilize such a wide variety of spells in large numbers.
I understand that the CONCEPT of the class is different from the Wizard, but...this class as written just seems like it wants to take the best parts of the wizard, and then add more feats without making any negative changes to compensate. Aaand the Wizard is already one of the strongest classes in 5e imo, right up there with Cleric and Bard. This concept CAN work, but imo, it definitely needs a lot of tinkering.
The easiest way to nerf this appropriately would probably to give them the spell slots of a Half-Caster. Or maybe restrict their spells to a maximum number of "Spells Known" like the Bard/Ranger, instead of having access to such a wide variety at all times. Or one could even compile a whole different list of spells as a "Necromancer Spell List" instead of just using the Wizard's. I'm also fine if a spellcaster wants to be a Charisma caster, but it has to be flavored appropriately, and not just Copy-Pasted from the Wizard.
Anyway, that's just my two cents. I don't mean to rain on a parade, but this does just seem pretty strong to me. xD I'm not gonna lie, I'm a fan of the concept of taking a branch from the Wizard and making it its own designated spellcasting class, though. So if we wanted to take the time and effort into making quite a few changes, this could be a fun inclusion.
1. d8 hit dice versus the Wizard's d6--I'm not entirely sure why a class that is basically a Wizard but with its own set of feats that don't relate to HP gets a bigger hit die. This class is a full caster class, unlike the Artificer. If their feats damaged themselves or something like that, I'd see the reason for it, but as-is, I think it should stay at a d6, personally.
2. Using Charisma instead of Intelligence for the spellcasting ability--I take issue when a homebrew spellcaster class wants to use Charisma instead of Intelligence, because in my experience, more often than not, they really just want to use the "better" stat for spellcasting. This class is flavored like a Wizard: a Necromancer uses a Spellbook, they prepare spells by studying and memorizing them like a Wizard does, and they cast them using their memory and knowledge. There isn't really a reason they should be using Charisma, when all of these traits are tied to Intelligence.
3. Resisting Poison--Now, this isn't as bad as some actual RAW feats that already exist, like how a race can get an IMMUNITY to poison (I'm still constantly wondering wtf WotC were smoking when they came up with Yuan-Ti Pureblood racials). Feats that grant innate resistances are strong as it is, especially if that type is Poison or Fire. But this single, 3rd-level feat is doing two other things on top of that (though I don't personally mind necrotic resistance being tacked on at all, despite Necromancy Wizards not gaining this resistance until Level 10). This gets especially rough when you consider that Wizards don't normally even get a feat at this level in order to balance the fact that they are now capable of preparing and casting their next spell level. Which brings me to my next point of contention....
4. The sheer number of feats--If you look back at the Wizard's class table, you might notice a pattern. They don't get many feats: Starting from Level 2, they get a single feat every fourth level (2, 6, 10, etc.). They get a feat, then nothing, then an ASI, then nothing again, and then another feat. This is because they don't really need that many feats because they can prepare and utilize such a wide variety of spells in large numbers.
I understand that the CONCEPT of the class is different from the Wizard, but...this class as written just seems like it wants to take the best parts of the wizard, and then add more feats without making any negative changes to compensate. Aaand the Wizard is already one of the strongest classes in 5e imo, right up there with Cleric and Bard. This concept CAN work, but imo, it definitely needs a lot of tinkering.
The easiest way to nerf this appropriately would probably to give them the spell slots of a Half-Caster. Or maybe restrict their spells to a maximum number of "Spells Known" like the Bard/Ranger, instead of having access to such a wide variety at all times. Or one could even compile a whole different list of spells as a "Necromancer Spell List" instead of just using the Wizard's. I'm also fine if a spellcaster wants to be a Charisma caster, but it has to be flavored appropriately, and not just Copy-Pasted from the Wizard.
Anyway, that's just my two cents. I don't mean to rain on a parade, but this does just seem pretty strong to me. xD I'm not gonna lie, I'm a fan of the concept of taking a branch from the Wizard and making it its own designated spellcasting class, though. So if we wanted to take the time and effort into making quite a few changes, this could be a fun inclusion.
Personally speaking, my limit for homebrew are backgrounds, creatures, feats and races. Subclasses are also kind of acceptable, but I'm a bit more iffy on them. I don't really like trying to mess with entirely new classes, though, as they're infinitely more difficult to balance without proper testing. Since the races that already exist are already kind of unbalanced, it's hard to say how strong or weak it needs to be to be "properly balanced."
That said, I am ALWAYS a proponent of stressing the character over the sheet. I suppose it couldn't really hurt to see what the class actually is before dismissing it completely, though?
That said, I am ALWAYS a proponent of stressing the character over the sheet. I suppose it couldn't really hurt to see what the class actually is before dismissing it completely, though?
Yeah, it was becoming an increasing concern of mine, honestly. Hope it doesn't come to her dropping out entirely. Especially since I decided to drop my more supportive characters xD
Luckily, Ferrin can stall for a bit longer with his own special brand of strange confusion~
Luckily, Ferrin can stall for a bit longer with his own special brand of strange confusion~
Ferrin's eyes widened a bit when the Draik suddenly looked over behind him, not even seeming to acknowledge his self-imposed title and claim. There was a bit of disappointment in his posture as it slacked a bit following this lack of interest. However, he supposed that he had something a bit more important to worry about. And that was the fact that the old man had apparently found somebody that...wasn't far behind him...? He turned himself around and almost gasped when he found the Ixi that was standing surprisingly close; not uncomfortably so or anything, but more that he was simply surprised that he hadn't noticed her approach. He grinned a bit at the newcomer; a fellow hero, apparently. Although, he had to admit...she didn't really seem the part.
The Scorchio's gaze turned downward, meeting the gaze of the dragon-like petpet at her heels as she directed the Draik's attention as well. He couldn't help but smirk a bit at the sight. He had, of course, seen all kinds of Gallion, having lived in Meridell for most of his life. he'd seen them both domestic and feral. He'd even had to fight one off with a fellow knight to protect a market stall at one point during one of his patrols. They weren't too big of a deal, but they certainly weren't to be underestimated. Maybe the two together made up the difference for what the other seemed to lack...? He wasn't entirely sure, but he supposed he shouldn't be underestimating someone so soon.
However, when he realized the Gallion was staring at him, he moved to meet the petpet's gaze. "Heheh. A cute little guy," Ferrin said, reaching his hand out toward Wyler to pat him. However, if Wyler began to act defensive or aggressive as he reached out, the Scorchio would fail to notice. Luckily for him, though, his attempt would be interrupted and thwarted before it could even get to that point, as a new voice broke through the air. Ferrin's attention was brought up...and finally, a new figure approached the group. This one, a sturdy-looking Bori. This one also didn't look like all that impressive, but this Arma guy seemed like a step up at least. But just like his concerns with the Ixi, Ferrin could only assume that there was something more hiding behind it.
The Scorchio opened his mouth as though to converse with the newcomer, but before even a word could escape him, the Draik spoke up again to include the Bori and unexpectedly launch into some kind of explanation. However, Ferrin had to stop as soon as he heard something.
"Whoa whoa, wait, hold on, back up," Ferrin replied. "Did you say a 'team'?" he asked, clearly a bit puzzled. "You're looking for teams for this...big, important, whatever-it-is job?" He rubbed the back of his head, suddenly feeling a bit awkward now. He glanced back toward the other two--three if you count the Gallion--and looked at them curiously. Did either of them put it together that they were going to be working as a team for this endeavor? In retrospect, he supposed he wasn't really sure what he expected; he just kind of figured he'd show up, do the job, and then leave....
The Scorchio's gaze turned downward, meeting the gaze of the dragon-like petpet at her heels as she directed the Draik's attention as well. He couldn't help but smirk a bit at the sight. He had, of course, seen all kinds of Gallion, having lived in Meridell for most of his life. he'd seen them both domestic and feral. He'd even had to fight one off with a fellow knight to protect a market stall at one point during one of his patrols. They weren't too big of a deal, but they certainly weren't to be underestimated. Maybe the two together made up the difference for what the other seemed to lack...? He wasn't entirely sure, but he supposed he shouldn't be underestimating someone so soon.
However, when he realized the Gallion was staring at him, he moved to meet the petpet's gaze. "Heheh. A cute little guy," Ferrin said, reaching his hand out toward Wyler to pat him. However, if Wyler began to act defensive or aggressive as he reached out, the Scorchio would fail to notice. Luckily for him, though, his attempt would be interrupted and thwarted before it could even get to that point, as a new voice broke through the air. Ferrin's attention was brought up...and finally, a new figure approached the group. This one, a sturdy-looking Bori. This one also didn't look like all that impressive, but this Arma guy seemed like a step up at least. But just like his concerns with the Ixi, Ferrin could only assume that there was something more hiding behind it.
The Scorchio opened his mouth as though to converse with the newcomer, but before even a word could escape him, the Draik spoke up again to include the Bori and unexpectedly launch into some kind of explanation. However, Ferrin had to stop as soon as he heard something.
"Whoa whoa, wait, hold on, back up," Ferrin replied. "Did you say a 'team'?" he asked, clearly a bit puzzled. "You're looking for teams for this...big, important, whatever-it-is job?" He rubbed the back of his head, suddenly feeling a bit awkward now. He glanced back toward the other two--three if you count the Gallion--and looked at them curiously. Did either of them put it together that they were going to be working as a team for this endeavor? In retrospect, he supposed he wasn't really sure what he expected; he just kind of figured he'd show up, do the job, and then leave....
There we go, and there is Ferrin~
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