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Never spaghetti; Boston strong
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The last post below me is a lie
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THE SACRIFICE IS COMPLETE. THE BOILERMEN HAVE FRESH SOULS. THEY CAN DO SHIFT CHANGES.
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Was that supposed to be an anime reference

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Harry Potter is not a world view, read another book or I will piss on the moon with my super laser piss.

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@ClocktowerEchos

Not to mention the flag is a maybe 4/10 according to the North American Vexilogical association.

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Okay, well all I'm asking for are a couple crappy pump jacks, producing just enough oil to run a few scrap-hobbled tractors, just to give the country a slight edge in food-production, relative to the norm. The majority of work can still be done with horses and simple plows. The idea is that the country sacrifices military manpower (mainly devout pacifists, no hope of general conscription, only useful in self-defense, very little knowledge of military strategy), for an economic advantage. You make a good point about what people would be willing to trade. It could instead be the case that parts and materials are gathered by scavengers, from the ruins of the old world.

The real Hutterites are nothing but tradition, and their entire culture is based around farming and farming technology. Surely, knowledge of how to maintain farm equipment would be the most common attribute of the average citizen. They'd know nothing about how to make guns. That would be something handled by the Albertasleut, if at all. If you'd like, it could be the case that their military is mainly armed with flint-locks and such, and doesn't have much in the way of artillery. I feel like that would be more realistic, than a post-war Hutterite nation that wasn't leading the way (in even the slightest way) in farming technology.

If not, could you propose some other way to better balance the nation?


To cover bases I had to do some more research and ask some questions to some folks. But the other thing being forgotten among all these machine talks is while larger fields still can be maintained with combines - cobbled together or not - there's a standing issue with a lack of fertilizer to issue to the communities to keep the soil maintained. They could soon after the bombs dropping afflicted with a deficit of fertilizers, particularly presently used artificial fertilizers to lay on the fields to restore soil condition.

As a case study to hold the Hutterites here against they'd be facing the same cyclical problems as the English economy in the middle ages which underwent wheat famines through soil depletion. The English wheat economy finally collapsed in the 14th century after intensive agriculture when they depleted the richness of so much of the soil they had to change industry.

Where-as Egypt at the time and even in antiquity could maintain constant agriculture because the Nile was continually replenished with fertile silt soil from up-stream Africa that they could plant their crops in and have a bountiful harvest each time.

The modern answer to making anywhere Egypt was accessible artificial fertilizer which is often produced from petroleum or natural gas itself, further straining any hopes for a viable fuel economy.

And beyond that there's the loss of modern fungicides and herbicides forcing every farming economy to go organic, which isn't a process of agriculture that can maintain modern populations anyways and would be more energy intensive (you'd be planting more than you need to begin with to expect to loose most of it) and probably triggering later calamity (See: Dust Bowl).

Not to say you can't try, but it's not a golden safety gun or a long-term edge. You're going to have to write about it all withering away sooner or later and a seizing economy.
Trump-Cruz gap is now just under 4% wide.
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Well ethanol is one thing. So what's the rule on proper oil? Alberta is one of the richest oil reserves in North America. It's literally mixed in with the dirt. You can just filter the crude out of the ground.


The problem with things like tar-sands is they're not a straight-forward process and have more resource intensive methods than simply pumping them up out of the ground and shipping it off to be refined. You have to separate the viable petroleum from the base contaminates and then separate what you used on the sands from the oil. To do so you're going to need to throw in a lot of additives. Before you can even think of processing the resulting crude into viable gasoline or oil, most of which last I checked isn't onsite in Alberta but goes abroad.

Just because they sit on it doesn't mean oil isn't usable right away and it may be more intensive than the population can handle. And when a lot of major infrastructure would be in the cross hairs of an atomic attack we can safely say the process to turn crude to a refined product is shut down. And what wasn't nuked probably got caught in the crossfire of feuding factions because these sites would be seen as so lucrative, then they'd get ruined in the process.

So in the end: probably not.

As for parts, are there no machines anywhere in America anymore? Surely it could be traded for.


While they would, their value within a community would skyrocket when nothing new is being manufactured. Neighboring or rival communities could just hold onto parts from their ruined machines to keep up operating machines until the fuel runs dry.

And as for being a pain in the ass, these are religious zealots who are banned from enjoying any type of entertainment. All they do all day is work. Fixing a broken engine would almost be a relief, because it would be a break from doing the same thing every day of their bland lives.

I think it could hypothetically work, but it's up to you guys. If not, can you tell me if horses exist in this world?


I'll give you that, but simply wanting or knowing is different from doing.

Like I could build a nuclear bomb. The process is publicly available online. For free. But I can't; because I don't have the materials nor may I be able to.
@ClocktowerEchos@Dinh AaronMk Could we possibly get a tech-level explanation on the 1st OOC post? Something to refer back to when we need to.


When approaching post-apoc tech I'd say look at it from a survivalist standpoint. All the modern industry and infrastructure is dead or broken. Society is broken apart so there's no idle hands and minds to put heavily towards things like building tanks (The game Banished is honestly something to consider when thinking of these ratios). So what's left to use or be made by this post-apocalypse societies is whatever can be built by hand or in the garage.

Old school manufacturies without mechanical assistance or heavy assistance like that of the heavy period of the late Industrial Revolution is basically gone. Maybe someone could build water-wheels to grind their corn better or to link up some parts to put together a sheet of cloth. But all the major materials or the manpower to throw together something more modern is gone.

I really don't have a personal guidebook to it all but simply knowing the technology you're looking at and asking not, "Do I want this?" but, "Can this be built?"

A lot of technology can be more fragile than you might think and a lack of standard parts production might kill a lot of things or make them more complicated than its worth.

Really, the most simple description would be a "wood and iron" mindset where "wood and iron" represents anything before the advent of what we'd consider modern technology. And then throw onto that an idea of "duct tape philosophy" where some modern things could or actually can be held together with scrap. It of course takes knowing what it is that's the center of the piece of technology or even what the base is.

Like I can imagine a 1991 Nissad Hardbody D20 persisting stubbornly past a nuclear apocalypse. But there may not be a lot of these on the road and no modern company will ever permit this thing to exist. But anything post '97 Dodge Ram may not make it. And Jeeps with their maintenance records will probably run out of parts and get left by the wayside.
@Dinh AaronMk Cruz had a 1% lead over Trump when I checked one minute ago


The gap's just widened to about three percent.
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Okay. I'll repost in tinypic.

All I was really thinking was tractors, combines, and grain silos. Things that might not be common in every country. My idea about what makes the Hutterites such a neat addition to this world is they wouldn't have been hit by any bombs during the war. So anything that could be maintained and repaired over the years might still exist in some form, however primitive and junky. Imagine a rusted out tractor, with parts replaced with salvage, but a tractor nonetheless.


As someone whose worked with shop folk and the sort of people who have to repair equipment like tractors for the better part of seven to eight years, it's usually not that easy. There's not a lot of standardization across brands and doing simple shit like re-tapping holes is a massive pain in the ass and can easily turn into a horror story. And when you get machines as big and complex as these:



It can get insane. And they're already uncommon machines as-is.

I'm sure a few enterprising persons can wrangle it. But we also come into the roadblock that is access to the materials. And even if you can get all the bolts that can take the sheer force of working on equipment like that you come to the issue where you're not going to have much in the fuel and producing the ethanol to the quantity to keep them in the field is going to eat into food output and effect end-result food costs.

Ethanol is also murder on engines (for example: alcohol holds onto water and when so much water gets into the engine it murders it, so when higher concentrations are introduced in the fuel then there's a greater and greater risk water will be present, alcohol is also corrosive and can eat some of the non-metal parts in an engine) so when the finer components in motors are murdered on a cut ethanol blend you're not going to replace them. They'd hang on, but not for long. And soon you'll be forced into smaller plots so the same small team can manage it all on more antiquated supplies or you're going to need to pull in more people from the larger community to help, cutting into an already limited population that'll cut on people doing innovative work so that they can eat.
I want to see the riots when the Republican caucus ends.
We do need more single-nation communities like that I feel.
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