Dinh AaronMk

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@Dinh AaronMk You would get away with here too if your avatar wasn't a damn pony, man.

@Buddha

/pol/ wooden spoon. We second star. #EatShit 4ccg. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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@Dinh AaronMk Also, while I feel you're onto something with the manga reading stuff (god I fucking hate weebs) I feel like you'll have a hard time coming up with any concrete evidence.

I believe there's a small link, but I don't think you can prove anything more than 'look it's possible'

@Buddha

If I'm going to shitpost it I don't need evidence. I just need to lay it out blunt, make the correlation, and call everyone whose into Japanese Chinese cartoons and comics a degenerate.

Then get called a cuck because #AltRight.

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@Vilageidiotx

If we're going to assume poverty as being the issue in Michigan then there's only really a few places that'd qualify: Detroit and more-or-less the bulk of the Upper Peninsula. The UP - for the most part in the east - seems to match Alaska, which if we assume these conditions are true would explain it; but that last map looks like it only does Ameriindians and not wealth or anything (it's really fucking hard to read without a white background).

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It's sort of bizarre. Aside from there being a relationship between rape and proximity to Texas, there isn't much of a correlation here to explain the states that stick out.

@Vilageidiotx

Texas is pretty normal compared to its northern neighbors as well. But if this is for reported rape could there be a difference in terms of how rape is thought of between these states?

Alaska - being the northern Florida - is probably about on par with cold-weather expectations. I bet its the Anchorage area that's carrying that state.

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@Dinh AaronMk

uh, looks like you might want to check your butt, because Michigan isn't doing well.

@Vilageidiotx

THANKS RICK SNYDER.

That fucking South Dakota tho.

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@Dinh AaronMk I'm gonna go on a limb and say that most rapes in the US happen in either the rural south, or the high-population cities like NY, NJ, LA, etc.

@Buddha

Counting high-population centers and listing them as just simply how much rapes happen there will be a given since there's so many more people compared to the rural south. You would really need to do this by per-capita but even then it may be hard to discern if education or the lack there-of is really the problem since cities will naturally have higher per-capita for everything due to the richness of targets in high-population environments.

But, whatever.

In semi-related open thinking, I'm going to point out that the legal existence of rape in Japan is relatively new compared to the rest of the world. But in the rape stats page I was using on Wikipedia Japan is omitted and is only evoked twice as a comparison to Australia (1.2 per 100,000 reported cases in Japan versus Australia's 28.6 per 100,000) and in a large table of general rape stats. My only source on the "recent" introduction of rape law in Japan and the concept of its "culture" comes from all places a novel: Death by Water by Kenziboru Oe.

As a general over-view one of the major plots after the advertised plot basically takes a shit and dies some five chapters in is one of the character's experiences with having been raped when she was seventeen and being forced to get an abortion because of it.

That in hand in mind I can be very, very cheeky and suggest the anime-watching, manga-reading alt-right MRA crowd adopts their attitudes of rape ("Rapu", as it's creatively called in Japan) directly from a culture that has a bit of catching up to come to grips with what the fuck a modern western rape is. But that's something I should keep on hand if I feel like shitposting on /pol/ or something.

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@Dinh AaronMk Your quote on the Dutch law is correct but interpreted wrongly.

@Buddha

Well I got it from the Wiki page because I ain't spending five hours of an already ending evening/morning. So I'll concede to that. Whoever put it up there goofed.

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I've also learned that many American schools don't offer sexual education.

Maybe that's a start.

Well I can't speak for this because my schools did sex education. A couple times actually, once in middle-school and again in high-school, and I assume again if I went into some sort of relevant medicine or law degree in college/university; but I'm not going in that direction so I won't be sitting through that.

If I were to place my bets though, I would hypothesize it's the Deep South. If any party is up to doing some work it'd be interesting to find and examine these environments and to correlate them to rape statistics to see if there's any trends in that case. But I don't have that sort of time or energy.

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@Vilageidiotx Again, I'm not American, the whole 'raping a girl who is unconscious at a party' has never happened here in my lifetime. I've not seen it in the news once.

Rapes here happen at night, in quiet places, or happen by a relative/friend of the family. There's just a totally different culture here - which to a feminist doesn't matter because the world is all based off of the USA anyway - and sad to say but rape is a non-issue here in the sense that it occurs so little and in such controlled areas that it's hard to blame men for it.

@Buddha

I think at this point I'll have to mention before any advancement of the argument is given on what both countries consider rape to be under their native legal code. To start, the US Department of Justice defines rape as: "Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."

And I believe from some other thread I heard or read you were from the Netherlands; correct me if I'm wrong. But for comparison's sake Dutch law defines rape as: "A person who by an act of violence or another act or by threat of violence or threat of another act compels a person to submit to acts comprising or including sexual penetration of the body is guilty of rape and liable to a term of imprisonment of not more than twelve years or a fine of the fifth category."

By comparison of these two laws we see to different situations which define what a rape is in either country and explains why here in the US we can consider drugging an individual so they may be more complacent or unresponsive as an act of rape. Where is in the wording of Dutch law's "A person who by an act of violence or another act or by threat of violence or threat of another act" presents a definition more focused on the act of force or the threat of force direct or indirect. It doesn't explicitly include or discuss coercion as much as US law.

US law was also before 2012 a bit more complicated in American style by allowing each state or jurisdiction of the country make its own slightly different definition of rape. The FBI originally changed the definition from "The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will" to the current definition, which I will say again seems to suggest all forms of coercion and not just violence or the threat of violence.

This may serve to explain the difference in how rape may be reported or talked about between our two countries. If a chick gets drugged at a Dutch party and isn't capable of giving consent and gets boned it may not be reported in the same way as it would be in the US and it may be entered into a whole different system. But I'm not a Dutch legal expert any more than I am a US legal expert.

There are other factors too about rape statistics since no one really records incidents retroactively so male-male rape was never really reported in the US since it was never really legally relevant until the definition change. Marital rape likewise was never part of Dutch law until - as I have read - 2011.

But now in the sake of broader comparisons, let's pull samples from other European law books.

Auf Deutschland:

"Whoever compels a woman to have extramarital intercourse with him, or with a third person, by force or the threat of present danger to life or limb, shall be punished by not less than two years’ imprisonment."

This was the law around 1997. It's since been amended a couple times and has come now to include the illegalization of marital rape, sex with a woman when she says "No", and groping as sexual assault.

Finnish defintion(s):

"(1) A person who forces another into sexual intercourse by the use or threat of violence shall be sentenced for rape to imprisonment for at least one year and at most six years. (2) Also a person who, by taking advantage of the fact that another person, due to unconsciousness, illness, disability, state of fear or other state of helplessness, is unable to defend himself or herself or to formulate or express his or her will, has sexual intercourse with him or her, shall be sentenced for rape"

Chapter 20 - Sex offences Section 1 - Rape, if you need that at all.

France:
"Any act of sexual penetration, whatever its nature, committed against another person by violence, constraint, threat or surprise, is rape"

And for the UK, I'll just puke this here since British law for Rape seems to be even wackier in terms of how non-standardized it is.

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And tossing in two last additions of my own we have a full house.

Now I got to re-write all the events to be thematic, so it'll be some time if I don't fuck up.

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