Dinh AaronMk

Born of War(Post-WW4 NRP)

@Dinh AaronMk Not always - America came out of both the first and second world wars a powerhouse. War boosts the economy of the victor (if they've never been invaded themselves, of course), or motivates struggling countries to do so (e.g West Germany's Wirtschaftswunder).

@BingTheWing

Not necessarily.

Big war-time spending is followed rather immediately by sudden economic slumps. In the time-frame this RP is set after the war, folk should be in a post-war recession. In some cases they'll be on their way out; but that's the thing that's forgotten: the industrial shift from a war-time economy to a peace-time economy means that when the change happens there'll be a period of a slow, doggish economy.

What the world wars did for the US was to clear foreign competition. After both World Wars actually. With Europe crippled at the end of the first war and the second the US could work its way into selling product into markets with high demand and little to no ways to supply the demand. This rose the value of American commodities and when the economy came back to peace-time production the value of the US supply market rose sharply.

There were other issues at play too in each case. The Great Depression underscores the negative side-effects of going on a relentless supply spree and a certain lack of long-term foresight into what'd happen when supply breaches demand, Calvin College's belief in doing absolutely nothing certainly didn't help in mitigating the future disaster of an inevitable depression; one which was made as massive as it was because the US was the only functioning economy. Europe too couldn't afford to keep on the US tit either, since at the time the US owned a disproportionate supply of the world's gold and wasn't using it, so the old power-markets of the world were becoming hugely impoverished compared to the soaring wealth of the US.

A post-WW2 crash following the boom of the fifties was probably in part avoided because of US spending on support in Europe which became one of the earliest aspects of curbing the growth of the Soviet Sphere by keeping the western European populace from being so impoverished they turned to Communism. But this spending made sure that the UK, France, Western Germany and so on had enough capital flowing through them that they could spend it on buying American products to help fuel the American economy.

This doesn't mean even then the US economy grew consistently, Eisenhower had to deal with regular recessions and during the US post-war years industry began to take on the basic philosophy of the post-Pearl Harbor military: decentralize itself. But that's a whole other story.

War for the sake of Economic Growth is a pretty bad philosophy. Either a mission like Vietnam becomes morally questionable to outright deplorable, or like with the second war in Iraq and Afghanistan we get a total economic meltdown at home. But the underlying economic problem with war is that it creates false growth. All the product that's made never comes back to the people. It's all used up in explosions and fire and never to benefit at-home development. Two world wars close together would be absolutely devestating to worker populations and available resources that might otherwise create growth.

Born of War(Post-WW4 NRP)

On a side note - guys, shouldn't we be more pacifist and war-avoidant? We've just gone through two world wars. I would expect the atmosphere to be tense and coldly diplomatic rather than militaristic and warlike.

@BingTheWing

Two world wars would have probably devestated the economic situation of the world, especially so close together. So there'd be no funds to go to war.

Hunger Gaems: Shared Slaughter Edition

Vman down! Indigo severely injures him in a fight and leave him to die there in the forest. Vizzini then haunts Zen. Queen Mary builds some more shit.

Stalin is defeated tonight too. In a show of ultra-violence Allyster yanks out Stalin's eyes and force them down his throat. The Russian dictator is left to choke to death, blind.

I also like to imagine that before Clocktower died, he heard a soft rustling in the breeze as thousands of poisoned darts darkened the moon's to kill him.

WitchCat is also left behind dead by the Spam Bot.



The Cornucopia is replenished and the people come. Marx kills Zen with an explosive to protect his means of production. Queen Mary manages to subdue and kill Allyster, freeing Vizzini from his will as Vizzini murders The Deplorables whose last thing he saw was Queen Mary, a lonesome tear coming to their eyes as the life was strangled from them. The Karling and Discord got into a fight for meat too, but since the Karling is a surprising pussy he up and leaves; he must have level 0 martial.

And then Indigo Montoya steps on a land mine.



As all the parties depart from the feast the Royal Navy uses the newly won supplies to build an arsenal of Nuclear Weapons, the Proletariats armory probably up in the air due in part to the confusing circumstances of their death. Or maybe Marx has them, explaining how he managed to blow up Zen.

Vizzini could have gotten another one in on the Queen of Scotland but she manages to distract them and runs into the woods.

Marx is rewarded for his style with more explosives. Demo Marx?

With Vman dead, there's no other competitor's seeking the throne of Scotland, so Chibi decides to put himself into direct confrontation with Mary by declaring himself the Queen of the Scots.

And according to finds by the squirrel, one of these late-game beasts is the zodiac killer.



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Born of War(Post-WW4 NRP)

@BingTheWing@Charles

To be fair the area you're invading is largely the Central Asian Steppe and Greater Persia. Or West Asia, not the Middle East. The Middle East is more-or-less anything From Persia on West, but East of the Aegean Sea and Egypt. Or roughly there about.

Egypt too lays in the geographical region of North Africa as much as The Middle East.

Hunger Gaems: Shared Slaughter Edition

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Gandhi poisoned himself (wait, isn't that Vizzini's line?) and is suffering a fatal case of death syndrome at the moment.

@ArenaSnow

I noticed that error, and then admitted it later.

Hunger Gaems: Shared Slaughter Edition

Zen did a thing! In the dead of night, Cynder, Bord, and Tails were readying to lay down for the night when the dastardly dark horse known as Zen set off an explosive, killing all three. So actually, he correction the Fash borg is Bashed, has Gahndi would have wanted. Oh well. This however keeps Allyster to Witch Cat's self, now Cynder is dead.

SpamBot recieves an explosive himself as well.

Vman realized he might be going crazy.

The enslaved Vizzini though opens a book. In doing so, he introduces himself to Anarchist liberation and he perhaps begins to question his slave-master relationship with Allyster.

Chibi then gets sick.

Diablo decides he'll climb a tree for the night, but fails and falls on Wizard Dog. If it's not the weight of the Dark Lord that killed the pooch, it was the spine. The fall too claims the life of the Lord of Hell as well, and both spirits move on down stairs.

Gustav, not being magically trained fails to beat Witch Cat in combat. But Witch Cat extends mercy and lets him live.

At a campfire Indigo and Allyster meet. In conversation Indigo tells Allyster all about the Ubermensch, which inspires Allyster to more readily consider the fascist option. This also implies Indigo himself is a fascist I guess.

Karl Marx meanwhile repairs a tank, tends to its crew, and probably teaches them about class struggle or something.

Now, we have to ask ourselves this: is this to ever sailor in the navy building his own, or is the entire navy building one giant structure? Because as they settle down for the night the Royal Navy gets to work scooping up mud and builds a square home or several thousand.

And so it is confirmed that Mary, Queen of Scots does not actually post.

Discord thinks about winning. It is the one true chat platform after all.



As morning dawn, Zen makes a slingshot. Maybe he can use this to propel explosives further and kill more? Time will tell.

Marx, Echos, Discord, and Vizzini go on a hunt together. Witch Cat discovers socialism.

Elsewhere, Vizzini's master, Allyster team up with Chibi to take on a tank and Gustav. Both are killed in combat by the duo and there was much rejoicing.

The Deplorables sought out Queen Mary again to seek her love, and she granted it by tending to their injuries.

Indigo again finds evidence a surviving tribute is the zodiac killer. I hope you're all making lists because the suspects are starting to thin out.

Joseph Stalin meanwhile breaks into the Spam Bot's Spam Shack and steals some of his dope ass Korean ads and Manchester furniture brochures and books it. It's OK, Spam Bot will make more.

A squirrel though needs fire-wood. Why? Maybe to roast his acorns.

VMan, having gone over the edge declares himself a claimant to Queen Mary's throne.

Then the Royal Navy eats Gustav Mannerheim and/or the T38 and crew.



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Born of War(Post-WW4 NRP)

@Charles

You're not really setting any example except that you can invade five countries at once. Doing so and then saying you'll make up for it later doesn't say anything to me but, "shit I got caught better cover my tracks".

Hunger Gaems: Shared Slaughter Edition

Well I don't think Allyster ever posts, he just gets put in on a mass staff dump. But I'll deliver your banter anyways.

Hunger Gaems: Shared Slaughter Edition

The cool dawning of night creeps on over the arena and the contestants settle in. Chibi and BadShot share the same campsite and discuss the people still alive. VMan and Kaethela likewise share a camp, and Vman converts Kae back to Fig-Fascism.

In an another peaceable grove, Karl Marx, Gandhi, and Diablo discuss the games and the opiates of killing. Gandhi so far as been pretty Gandhi, and I'd venture to say he'd say something like "don't do it bro".

Vizzini the Inconceivable slave of Allyster chooses to cuddle up to Queen Mary of Scotland for warmth. Can the good queen break Allyster's binds? She has a masterful personality that managed to get the Deplorables to repair her entire navy on a single hand-hold.

I seemed to have fucked up Procellus and I can't even go back to check what happened and correct it since the game data got deleted. But Tails discovers Socialism, this might be more important.

Songs are sung in some sort of praise, or maybe for emotional stability as Zen, Sethisto, and Witch Cat strike up a three-part harmony. But Broby slips up and eats toxic berries. It is time for the Guild to mourn their olde champion



Gustav got hurt though, so he tends to those injuries.

The fires of Ultra Nationalist revolution burn in the bowls and hulls of the royal navy as they plan their next move of Pax Admirality.

The T38 finds additional evidence that a surviving contestant is the Zodiac Killer. This is some detective tier shit here fams. Maybe it's Procellus!

Mental Mastermind Allyster cuddles with Cynder for warmth. Does this convert him to his will? Who knows. But he's been very quiet these past couple of days.

Duthguy, the Karling shitlord, and Indigo partake in some three-part harmonies of their own. Does the Karling even speak English or does he lend his own with some old proto-French or Latin?

Some normal boring shit later and we see the Proletariat climbing a very big tree to rest. Now, stop for a moment to realize that this is the entire world's blue-collar workforce climbing up a tree to rest. This has to be an immense tree. They can all probably see that fire Witch Dog saw, or Borg getting resupplied. But neither matters to them, they got nuclear missiles with them; which has to make this tree even bigger.



The basket of Deplorables is so beta that not even Vizzini wants to kill them, they with their basket and the guilty love for Queen Mary who held their hands, and a fleet whose good health and repair has gone unnoticed by senpai.

Diablo then invades a duchy.

Sethisto though decides to lead an ambush that includes his own hunting partner, Karl Marx. With the Proletariat at his side and BadShot the changeling they make their move to kill Marx, Tails, and the Royal Kaisermarine but the plan goes horribly wrong. Not only does Marx die, but he and his friends manage to kill the ambushees. The entire working class the world over is destroyed, as is the sole proprietor of Equestria Daily and Trixie aficionado. I can't really think of anything for BadShot. Though two questions are raised: who killed several billion working men and women? My bets are on the Navy, who were the only party in this faction possessing the fire-arms to do so and the ideological willingness to overlook it; Marx and Tails both are pro-Proletariat. But: who gets the nukes?

Witch Cat follows tails and discovers Communism Lite, or socialism.

Then a squirrel invades a duchy and Cynder and Gustav split up for resources.

The class-traitor Kaethela meanwhile is murdered by Clocktower with Kae's own explosives.

Indigo challenged Wizard Dog to a honorable fight in which no one dies, but Indigo wins.

Gandhi poisons Borg, eliminating another fash.

The Karling finally fucking does something, and finds evidence a surviving tribute is the zodiac killer. But since it appears Procellus is dead it can't be him. RIP-ero.

T38 castrates Vman.

Allyster in a twist decides its time to die and approaches Queen Mary, the Beta Maker. But Queen Mary refuses.

Duthguy is murdered by Chibi.

Born of War(Post-WW4 NRP)

I wasn't done my friends... I think 22m technologically advanced soldiers would have won either way :/ I was just showing what was going to happen in a summary.

@Charles

Numbers and tech have nothing to do with it. They still have to cross geographical distance and deal with resistance at the defensible positions of the country. Whether that be urban warfare where no matter how you cut it takes forever, or in the mountains. And you didn't just conquer two "tiny" nations. You conquered Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikstan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

And let me remind you the later is a known nuclear armed state, and the other is considered the Graveyard of Empires for very good reason, not even the US can deal with poorly armed combatants there.

This is not to mention that Afghanistan, northern Pakistan, and Kyrgyzstan are enormously mountainous countries, northern Pakistan itself is protected from China by some of the hardest to cross parts of the Himalayas. There's also only one road between the countries, and when fighting in mountain passes, army sizes no longer matter. See battles like The Battle of Thermopylea where a small Greek force managed to hold at bay at significantly larger Persian force for two to three days but then not only do that but to kill a disproportionate number of Persians than they themselves, this is the battle that became famous in the graphic novel and movie 300.

A similar rule of thumb applies to instances like the Swabian War that made Switzerland independent, because the much larger forces of the Hapsburg Holy Roman Empire and its allies had to claw through the Swiss Alps and you get plenty of instances where small bunches of plucky Swiss Alpiners face off against German forces that are sometimes two-times larger than their own, and then the Swiss win. The Germans don't get the maneuverability needed in attack phases and every time they sally out they get thrown into a grinder.

To quote from a 19th century source on warfare on this subject itself:
"For smaller bodies of troops, the disadvantages of a defensive position in mountains diminish as we have already remarked. The cause of this is, that such bodies take up less space, and require fewer roads for retreat, etc., etc. A single hill is not a mountain system, and has not the same disadvantages. The smaller the force, the more easily it can establish itself on a single ridge or hill, and the less will be the necessity for it to get entangled in the intricacies of countless steep mountain gorges."
clausewitz.com/readings/Compare/OnWar1..

I have also heard it said - though I haven't found the source yet - that one man with a rifle in a mountain pass can hold off a significantly larger force (10 times more or so of his number) for a long time before he's finally beaten.

Numbers mean nothing when the bulk of your army has to make it through these obstacles. And in the mountains bombs and shit mean nothing when the enemy fighters can go into the natural bunkers of caves and wait out artillery strikes.

Beyond simple military tactics, you also ignore the geopolitical issues in blatantly invading 2-5 countries near to much stronger countries than those. Iran/Persia would have a lot to say about that, and would be threatened by a Chinese nation suddenly flooding in west to them. Even if you were to obtain an alliance with the Iranians the understanding between the parties would be by default that no superior edge is had over the other in invading this countries and if China were to invade this countries the alliance would be void in favor of forming a resistance to Chinese aggression and slowing or stopping Chinese growth.

But Iran isn't the only force to worry about either, you also have the equally powerful Indians in the region who given the same scenario would sure as hell hate it if China were to just up and one day take over their western neighbors and precious Kashmir. And India is a nuclear armed state too. If they believed it was necessary they could combine the stockpiles with Pakistan and basically nuke the Khunjerab pass to destroy the Chinese force crossing over or even go beyond to destroy Chinese staging grounds and cut the connection between you and your forces on the move.

The thing that's really an issue though is the merit of being a Roleplayer. As a GM you actually have a lot more pressure on you yourself to set an example. More so as such a large and notable power. If you start willingly and openly sweeping up large tracts of territory in the matter of a single post then that threatens the rest of us. And in an RP where you said we can have giant lasers cannons that take months to charge, then in invading those five countries in one post, and defeating a six-month Mongolian rebellion in one post really voids that statement when I can still charge and fire that same weapon in one post or two because that's just the sort of example you set.

You may be the head-honcho, but we keep the RP alive. If anyone feels they're not having fun because the GM is being in his own way abusive through power-playing, all excuses aside then we can just leave and your RP will die.