Etcetera

Myriad Reality

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You still need to be medically liscensed to prescribe anything in nearly every form of government ran system.

@souleaterfan320

Medical licenses are not transferable between jurisdictions. I have the equivalent from where I'm from.

Myriad Reality

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Except I've got a logical foundation with Code for anything. A universe full of random states of Code still functions. Again, just because it exists doesn't mean it's worthwhile. If Tier Five went around destroying universes that don't make sense then that's fine and good but they aren't doing that anymore. It's highly unlikely that life would arise in a logically uncentered universe unless done by a deity, so...

There's also so many things we can't even think of that would make something logical that we wouldn't consider logical. I had another point but I forgot it. :/

@The World

Random states of Code cannot violate logical principles in any case (though Code isn't the purpose of this discussion, since it's not about MR) because that would be able to allow a condition to arise where you're asserting something that doesn't make sense to be true. It's fine to say "this universe could not exist unless these 99.99999999999999999999% odds line up, but because of Code they do" but it's not fine to say "because of Code, we can have a statement that is true that is also false" because that kind of a statement cannot even be properly parsed. It's as intelligible as saying "the sky ate the color of four ocean grandmothers increasing halves." There's no universe where that condition can be true because the condition doesn't make sense.

I think what you're getting at here is a universe with a different set of axioms, which is absolutely fine. Any system can "exist" as long as it's self-consistent.

Myriad Reality

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Wait, how?

@souleaterfan320

I don't know if you know this Shinji, but I'm really old. And while no jurisdictions apply to me, I'm very well versed in medicines from my time at Black Paper Moon.

Myriad Reality

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Ah. I need someone that can provide legal asistance within the realm of medicine, Should I need something prescribed. You may be able to assist during the sessions, though.

@souleaterfan320

I can prescribe medicine.

Myriad Reality

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Oh?

@souleaterfan320

I don't mind doing whatever I can to help you. I just don't want you to think that I'm some sort of professional psychologist.

Myriad Reality

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For my therapy, goofball.

@souleaterfan320

O-oh, okay. I'm not licensed or anything.

Myriad Reality

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Alright.

*looks to Fairy Blue*

You're all clear, just stick to those guidelines I told you. Also, I would expect a call from me soon about working a form of payment out for therapy sessions.

@souleaterfan320

*Tilts my head confusedly*
But I don't need therapy?

Myriad Reality

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"It's unfalsifiable, which is a fallacy (which I suppose also wouldn't matter if logic is stripped of its power?)."

Now you're getting it~

We're dealing with other universes, it's ALL unfalsifiable. Logic is just how our brains are wired to manage shit, and our brains are fucked. Just look at how our eyes work, our brains are bullshit.

For example, there's no way anyone is going to go to a universe exactly like ours except where gravity works in reverse, but that doesn't mean it can't exist in Existence.

@The World

If you remove the foundation of logic, all claims become meaningless. I can claim that whatever you propose is false for the sake of it and there isn't anything that can falsify that. Logic is the only way to reach a conclusion, and you can't reach the conclusion that an illogical world can exist without the use of a logic-bound reasoning system, which forbids the former's existence.
There is no order without logic. Every idea becomes an isolated entity floating in the sea of nothingness, a place where I can just as easily destroy the notion of any other universe with the simple declaration that they don't exist, easily as you can create them.

Makes sense. Although there could still be beings other than us who transcend or don't conform to logic itself and therefore do not need it to exist or function.

Of course that's all just speculation. Still fun to think about though.

@ZAVAZggg

It is fun to think about. I think that when discussing logic, the conversational idea of what is "logical" (what makes sense to us given the facts we know) gets conflated with the definitional view of what is "logical" (what we can derive given a set of premises and axioms).

Myriad Reality

How do we know logic, like time, isn't just a construct our minds?

@ZAVAZggg

Because it's our only way to even perceive reality. You could claim logic to be false, but it undermines our entire ability to perceive, evaluate, or even interact with reality. You would have to accept the fabric of reality around you to be unrepresentative of the actual truth of the world (but even that conclusion relies on me taking the claim to its logical ends). Ultimately, you can deny anything you want, but if you don't choose to accept logic, whatever system is put in its place (or lack thereof) will have no predictive or analytic power to do anything, really. It's like if I had a computer and denied that ADDI R1, R0, 5 would place the number 5 in register 1. I can claim absolutely anything I want, but I can't accomplish anything that doesn't abide by logical rules.

Myriad Reality

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"Imaginable." They absolutely can, we just can't properly portray it.

@The World

That doesn't make sense though. Our entire perception of reality relies on the fact that we accept logical derivations to be true. If we suddenly decide that they don't have to be, in this universe or in any other, we lose any ability to make sense of our own universe. As far as the world is concerned, if a conclusion isn't logical, it's false.

And while you could claim otherwise, if you remove logic's ability to determine definite truth, it's impossible to prove whether or not your own claim is true. It's unfalsifiable, which is a fallacy (which I suppose also wouldn't matter if logic is stripped of its power?).