KoL

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

Nah, nah. I'm kind of used to these situations. I will not push the talk forward, for many reasons including the fact that it wouldn't change anything. All the characters are made and the RP is rolling, thus there's no point in arguing about that kind of stuff, specially when the discussion took a treacherous turn.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

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That's, uh, that's probably because that's exactly what's happening on the concept level. In saying I'm abiding by Type-Moon mechanics, I'm inherently stealing from their concepts to make a premise and internally-consistent world.

<Shocking Truth>, but yeah. I'm sorry if that disappoints you, but I am not, in fact, the writer of the work on which this roleplay is based.

@Unoedipal

Not to disagree with you, but I kinda know that. And never cared or do care what that sentence implies is that whatever you do is pointless, which (while being true on a greater level) still would make the very act of RPing based of someone else's work pointless. In sum, there's no need to rub it on people's face, other wise even a game of tabletop RP on a pre-made commercial setting would be 'stealing other's work'.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

The difference is that nobody here's Nasu.

@Unoedipal

You don't imagine how much the "We aren't X." Line disappoints me when playing a fandom RP. It makes everything you look like you're just stealing someone else's work.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

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Merlin made it.

It's also not "If you're an HS you know her" as much as "If you're an HS you know Excalibur".

@Unoedipal

Still has no basis on Arthur's legends, so it keeps on being baseless BS.

Indeed, but you do know that King Arthur is the blade's owner (doesn't mind if you lived in Japan, or the middle of the Pre-Colombian Americas, you know and respect Excalibur). Knowing that Arthur is in truth Arthuria is another thing, and the reason most get shocked at first, still it's the same thing in a way.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

I don't see why this conversation matters, since direct recognition on sight isn't going to happen as far as this RP goes unless there was direct interaction in-life, and El Cid and Baldwin were about a century apart.

@Unoedipal

Indeed, which is what I said all along. But the coat of arms of the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the King's Crown are there, that's enough to say they are from Jerusalem, just like any half decent historian of the Middle East would be able to. Pinpointing that he's Baldwin is a whole different ball game than calling a general location.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

Just to note: All Heroic Spirits know of Excalibur and King Arthur to the point that the Grail had to create the baseless BS known as Invisible Air, to help ease Arthuria's handicap. It doesn't matter where or when you lived, if you're an HS you know Arthuria, find me something more senseless than that?

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

So whether or not a servant knows something is completely divorced from historical background and common sense.
Of course, I should have known.

@Zobozun

I'm not saying it's divorced of common sense. But history means little on the Throne, you know.

What I'm saying is that what she would do is pretty much like look at an American soldier and say "Hey, that guy is an American Captain!"

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

After he died before the Exile, she was the one living with the Muslims and absorbing their culture. That's why she has made allies of them, even them, knowing of the King who actually could issue the call for a Crusade in an age where they took place would be more or less common between nobility, such as she.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

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I, for one, welcome our Kitsune overlords.

@ADamnFiddle

Don't look at me, I'm not complaining, bro.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

@Zobozun

Nah, madness is good, man. It liberates one's mind. And now... I imagine the chaos that would ensue if the True Rasputin was summoned as Caster, instead of Fox Waifu.

Please don't fight on the Church doorstep.

This is neutral ground.

@Unoedipal

Nothing is gonna happen there, Neither Saber nor Lancer are heathens, after all. To say the truth, this war has a rather high concentration of Christian heroes, including three who got famous for fighting the Muslims. I bet that Lancer, Saber and Rider would have at least a bit of a sense of camaraderie between them once their identities come out.

That said, Saber should be able to tell that Rider is the King of Jerusalem (but maybe not exactly Baldwin) on sight, since the Crusades were still raging during her life and she traveled into Muslim lands during her exile, but since Baldwin is a few decades younger than Saber she wouldn't know him directly, unless it's like how the Celtic Heroic Spirits seem to know each other even when they weren't of the same age.