mdk

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Look for examples at the pogroms against Jews by devout Christian's in the middle ages.

@Penny

Not something they taught me much about in sunday school, so forgive me if I'm missing your mark here -- my rudimentary search seems to indicate that this was associated with the Crusades (and other typical jingoist prejudices -- the mass-executions seem to be Crusade related). Holy wars will do that. Religion + Politics is a bad combo -- but it's hardly fair to literally eradicate religion over that. After all you're certainly not advocating a total eradication of politics. I haven't done the math, but something tells me you don't wanna stack all the bodies of political wars on one side and all the bodies of religious wars on the other and compare the size of the piles.

I'm saying that the possibility for the same type violence exists in all religions.

The possibility for the same type of violence exists in all people.

Admittedly you would have to work pretty hard to create Buddhist suicide bombers.

Well you would hope so. BUUUUUUUUUUUT.........

EDIT: and, heh, I forgot to mention that the Japanese literally invented suicide bombing (Kamikaze ring a bell?) So much for that theory.

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As for taking in immigrants increasing the risk of attack. It very likely does increase the chance of attack. Even granting that, I would still advocate for it.

@Penny

I have no problem whatsoever of any kind with immigration. What I have a problem with is, you know, murder.

All religion contains the same poison, it just which flavor is most virulent right now.

plus, you know, those Shinto monks are basically identical to kosher Hebrews.

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It isn't as though there have never been terrorist attacks from secular motivators, but it seems like the modern flavor is overwhelming religious.

@Penny

A pretty specific religion. The point of that Poland post was to demonstrate that them darn relijis folk in Poland seem to be doing an infinitely better job resisting terror than the secular/tolerant EU.

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So your contending that these terrorist attacks aren't religiously motivated?

@Penny

how in the hell did you get that?

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The origins of of ISIS are in Iraq, not in Syria. The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria is the earlier title. It grows up out of the Sunni Jihadi movement that centered around the American invasion of Iraq. It has since become more Syria focused and somewhat more international but we are talking about the genesis of the organisation.

@Penny

Fair enough.

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Maybe we should stop praying, it seems like the belief in the Fairy Godmother is part of the problem.

@Penny

Meanwhile, in Poland...

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@mdk I guess it depends how far back you want to trace the problem. Creating a huge power vacuum in Iraq and creating a cockpit for Saudi v Iran? Toppling Saddam, Supporting the Saudis, deposing the Shaw, backing the Mujahadeen against the Soviets, The Soviets going into Afganistan Deposing the Shaw, British Imperial policy, Allied Intervention in the Russian Civil War and on and on.

I don't want to characterize all these as mistakes made by Americans, or Brits or whomever but the chains of historical incidence are always long.

@Penny

And Grrk took Unnkkk the Caveman's rock, which ultimately explains everything. Islamic State in Syria is (a) an Islamic organization, (b) a modern political entity (state), and (c) a Syria product, and they are using the EU's complacency to spread. These are facts.
They are also a product of complacency and non-intervention. -- that's analysis, but it's not a reach. This crisis is not the fault of the political left, but the political left allowed it to happen and the political left will never be able to stop it (they say so themselves)

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Maybe this wouldn't be a problem if people didn't go to the middle east to depose secular rulers that while dictatorial kept a lid on everything. I don't think that all blame can be put on the EU here, America and Russia are also very much responsible for engineering the horrors that are boating over.

@Andreyich

Well the USA stayed out of Syria while Russia propped up the secular dicator and the EU welcomed everybody with open arms, and look where that got us (ISIS stands for "Islamic State in Syria," they began over exactly this).



And that's not even all the attacks -- and tonight is the "night of power" so expect the list to grow in the next 12 hours.

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I believe you have more than earned your fair pass on that one, @mdk. Although, at the moment and on a different topic, does anyone have any better insight on the Michigan incident at the airport?

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