Raineh Daze

Fate/Tropical Holiday

Name: Kotomine Kirei

Servant: Gilgamesh

Gender: Male

Appearance

REJOICE

Personality: More or less as broken as Shirou, really. He can only take pleasure in the suffering of others... but has such a firmly-grounded moral background that this is essentially just a breeding ground for mental problems. Of course, as his goal, he still has 'find out [i]why[/]' from the Gral.

Abilities: Expert martial artist, Church Executor, and is also a magus. Of course, his magical abilities are ironically an affinity for spiritual healing--and he's gone downhill a bit since the previous Grail War, though not as much as he could have. There's also the dubious benefit of having a heart formed from curses. The excess of command seals, however, is a [i]far

History: After the Fourth Grail War, Kirei was left as the only survivor aside from Waver--Gilgamesh having been rather unfortunately positioned between the King of Knights and the Grail, and Kiritsugu caught in the downpour. This didn't terribly impact him, though the war's official end left him once more without any proper posting--until the new war was started up. Once again, Kirei was selected to be the overseer, and once again was selected by the Grail to summon a Servant. It's of no surprise that the particular Servant summoned was the last one he contracted.

Character Crossover Crisis City

Archer sighed internally, face taking on a blank expression as the moral debate continued unimpeded--now with the added complication of the foolish demon-summoner: Archer had seen the dagger, and there was no doubting the man to have created the thing and hand it over. It was a terrible blade and a clear signal of exactly who in the group couldn't be trusted. Aside from the knight himself, of course; to find a more unreliable ally would take a deliberate effort.

"Say we saved the dragon, then what? The very land it stands on will wither and die. The other dragons in the region get killed, and any humans in the area get devoured by a mindless beast. In the end, to save the many, the few have to die," Archer stated, pausing for a second to allow Sorin to pose his hypothetical scenario, "If a person can only survive through the death of others, then their death is the only way to save anyone. If a village is being raided, then the raiders have to be stopped. The ugly truth of the world is that a hero can only save those he sides with, and cannot possibly save everyone."

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Flamelord said
Well, Grey Star could always just make the point of telling us in game that the Challengers can't be killed or kill each other outside of the Trials.

First one doesn't work because Ghost Rider set a precedent. The second one simply delays it.

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Honestly, fighting Archer like this is probably an easier thing to deal with than if he were to live up to his class name. If there's a local vantage point sufficiently high enough, he can easily make a short against a roughly human-sized target from two and a half miles away. Combined with the ability to shoot NP swords, it's better for PC's (and NPC's) to have to deal with him in melee, since at least that way there's not this enormous buffer of 'you can't hit me'.

Basically, it gets easier to try and kill Sorin if we allow a peace at this avenue. Unless he then doesn't go outside the whole RP, someone far too stubborn for their own good will try and finish him off.

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Kaga said
I was going to say something just now along the lines of "Isn't there a way to resolve this situation and defuse the conflict without killing Sorin?".But then I took a good look at what I had typed, and decided that arguing so many philosophical debates from Vash's perspective is clearly doing funny things to my head. I still feel like there should be some way to avoid that, but, since I can't think of any actual solutions, I... guess I'll just leave this for the GM to resolve.

It could be defused short-term, but he's gleefully admitted he's willing to kill just for his own gain and with no better reason. If he survives, it just delays further assassination attempts.

Yet this whole thing could be avoided simply by having him pose the 'I eat people' as a hypothetical situation. The guy is, by his in-universe achievements, vastly experienced and intelligent. Yet his actions right now display no comprehension of psychology, nor any consideration for what the two people he's fought beside could do.

Plus blocking both their attacks with one swing is really questionable from a power perspective. Surprise attacks, both two-handed and striking harder than any human can manage, blocked with a single movement?

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Okay, this scenario is getting really bad. It's not any fun, and the only IC resolution of this requires that someone end up dead: you can't expect people fervently opposed to selfish killing to just say "sure, it's fine to kill things"; Archer in particular has helped out an anti-vampire arm of the Church. I don't really want PvP, but you're basically insisting that it's better that everyone be IC than one character just not gloat in a particular way.

Also, the current tracing would be White, not Blue. That's a holy blade in Archer's hands, there; Blue might generally govern artefact stuff but it doesn't have a monopoly on item-flavoured buffs.

Anyway, this is more or less the only idea I have for a next post. I don't want to post it, and I'd rather this last half a dozen or so posts were just rescinded. However, with Sorin apparently keeping up with Archer and Saber in outright melee skill, and his self-admitted crimes? Not much else for it.

Post I Don

With Sorin backing off, and others intervening, Archer found that options for disposing of the vampire were rapidly closing. Somehow, the creature had deflected both his and Saber's attacks with a single sword stroke. It was implausible beyond belief and simply reinforced that he had to be eliminated now; something so obviously evil and so detrimental to the survival of others... potential use in gaining a wish to eliminate himself aside, allowing the bloodsucker to continue existing would be idiotic.

The Golden Sword of the Victorious melted away, getting replaced immediately by a spear of the most vibrant red. It was a horrific weapon, but against someone with so many tricks up their sleeve, Gae Bolg was the best choice. Drawing on the experience instilled in the weapon by its most famous user, Archer struck.

"Gae Bolg!"

It was a pointless attack, merely aiming at Sorin's feet. Simply moving one aside would be more than enough to avoid the obvious attack--but by the time moving was an option, it was already too late. Simply calling its name meant that the heart got pierced and iron barbs flooded the body: the thrust was a mere confirmation of the attack's success. Even with truly unnatural luck and instinct, avoiding the spear's attack was impossible. Saber could bear testament to that.

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WilsonTurner said
One could just appoint, say, you as a co-GM, and then just go through them one-by-one.

Appointing me is like using an axe to prune a bush.

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WilsonTurner said
Still waiting on the GM to say ANYTHING. One shouldn't start a roleplay if they aren't willing to reply to everyone ASAP, don't have time, or can't handle it all.

Honestly, knowing him, it's probably the volume of characters that slow things down plus being kind of busy.

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Dead Cruiser said Let's call it "superior technique and experience." Sorin has been fighting with a sword for six-thousand years. Saber has existed for only about fifteen-hundred years. Factor in that Sorin too has superhuman fighting ability, and we can wave away a parry.

You don't get to declare yourself a better swordfighter than the character whose abilities are nothing but hitting things with a sword, simply because your character's older. This isn't how things work.

What I do find ridiculous, though, is the expectation that I'm apparently supposed to tailor my roleplaying around the fact that your characters have the irresistible urge to wantonly murder party members as they see fit. As much as you keep saying that you didn't want to do this, you still kind of... did. You can say that to not kill him at this point would be out of character, but I doubt "delves into a mindless killing frenzy at the implication of something evil afoot" is a trait of either character.

The sum totality of tailoring asked for was 'please don't announce you're a sociopath serial killer'. You're having Sorin display all the self-preservation of a kumquat. If you go up to a holy knight and say 'I eat people', do you really think they're going to shrug it off?

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VitaVitaAR said
I really honestly don't even want to do this.But Saber is basically "Lawful Good" exemplified in terms of Servants and talking about how you murder people cheerfully is not something I can just have her brush off.

And Archer has served with the Burial Squad, is anti-vampire because vampires serve Gaia and Counter Guardians serve Alaya, and is more Shirou than not (especially as this is post-UBW)

It's like wandering into a conference for vegan knights and declaring animals are irrelevant tastiness.