SleepingSilence

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Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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Canada isn't passing a ban on criticism of islam, it is passing a motion to condemn islamophobia. As in, it's not a law, it's just a statement. They won't enforce it.

Also, safe spaces are pretty old. A lot of "Safe spaces" are rebrands of what we used to call "Support groups."

Also also, racial jokes are still pretty fucking common. I feel like I'm in a bizarro land where we are all pretending that the racial joke is universally condemned or something

@Vilageidiotx

@Vilageidiotx So there's that label again...do you think that won't include literally every criticism of Islam? Do you really not know what people have already been punished for various "thought crimes" around the world. If that passed for Christianity in America...would you feel the same way? Fucking just drawing their prophet IN ANY WAY is illegal...Islamphobia may mean even less than every insertphobia label on god's green earth. All of those words mean nothing and are so vaguely defined it hurts, but Islamophobia. I can only imagine the wide, wide umbrella of rules that would fall under...

Support groups, are NOT the same as safe spaces. (For starters they were probably never racially segregated.) Trying to say stuff like trigger warnings and all this nonsense has somehow "been here all along." Just doesn't even make sense at any glance because no one was talking about them then...

Well the reason people act that way is because the privileged of the world have no grasp on the harshness of reality and just assume. When the rest of the world has bigger problems to deal with...the fact anyone's agenda somehow implies america has all these problems AND IS STILL defending the worst/least modern culture on the planet that really does have real hate for women and gays and everything else. Just makes me a little sick and also unable to take them seriously.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@SleepingSilence So now its not only goal post shifting you are adding qualifiers. 'Twisting your words' give me a damn break. You can just make up these standards and say what does and doesn't count as discussion to you, but all those threads were a discussion. I'm starting to get Deja vu of you accusing me of trolling, when I'm just responding to your posts, which would place you in the same boat as me. I also don't really care how much emoticon fueled fun you are having but the fact you need to bring it up makes me think that the lady doth protest too much.

@Dynamo Frokane

@Dynamo Frokane Literally nearly every post you have twisted my words...must I give you examples? (I won't because basically my next reply will never come...) I wanted to say completely failed to comprehend the things you read, but I can only have so much leeway given to someone.

And yes, you pull so many things already that I think it be in your best interest for me to call you that vs what I'd rather say...

And don't wink at me with those sarcastic emoticons or I'll get @Tulpa in here :D

@Dynamo Frokane

Something off topic, but something you shouldn't ever do. Don't harass someone and throw someone's name under the bus with you...Let's even remotely pretend Mods greatly enforced rules. Maybe you shouldn't lump people in to YOUR personal tirades. Maybe they grew up and don't want to be included in a post only meant as a pointless jab. I've seen people get banned on (other) forums in this way merely because someone decided to harass another user and suggest several people were also in on the harassment. If that person wants to harass me, their perfectly capable of doing it themselves...they don't need your help.

You cant stay away from these 'divisive' threads you claim to hate so much, so clearly me and everyone else who makes them should continue for your benefit.

@Dynamo Frokane

Are you...........admitting these threads are divisive.....(I can talk to people with different opinions and not try to circle jerk and give out as many ad hominems as possible. If you can't understand the difference...I don't know what to tell you.)

I didn't call you creepy, I said your one comment was creepy and over familiar, and I removed the post at your request, but for someone who's having so much fun, it really seems to be making you quite upset, sadly I can do nothing to erase it from your memory, you're just going to have to deal with it.

@Dynamo Frokane

There is literally no difference between calling someone creepy and saying the things they say are creepy...(especially if it's coming from someone whose already called you a dozen other things...) <.< And I said remove it, because I don't want people to see bile online, they probably see enough. And thanks for implying what you think/were trying to do. But already knew that. I said remove it for your own best interest, not mine.

Anyway I'm sure everyone in this thread feels like you are intellectually owning me, better keep responding to protect your reputation as a laid back, rational debate machine. xD

@Dynamo Frokane

For someone who is pulling every step on "what to do when losing an argument." I really don't think anyone is cheering you on either...I don't do this to win. Clearly, nothing was accomplished aside from you thinking you got something over me, and I killed some time inbetween listening to some new albums. I do this because I'm bored. But even then, I'm not my roommate, there's only so many times people can misspell first grade level words and imply I'm the foolish one, before I just get very tired of responding and it becomes less funny and more pathetic...<.<

EDIT: also make sure you re-run another tired google chrome spelling mistake joke, I can tell by all the laughs you are getting that everyone here thinks you are hi-larious.

@Dynamo Frokane

Evil assumes evil from others. I was suggesting it for your benefit. (mostly) It would immediately stop anyone from ever using that jab online ever again...If I really wanted to go the extra mile (actually attack) I'd show every mistake, spelling and punctuation. (But I'm not and believe me there's more.) You can stay a glutton for punishment. No skin off my bones. After it KEPT happening in every single post. (Under the impression that it was no longer just a typo.) I was suggesting it so you'd stop embarrassing yourself now and in future.

Lets talk about JonTron and his possibly racist views.

@Chrononaut I'm beyond not following this conversation, but mildly skimming. I saw you posting some statistics and someone correcting you that a site posted them was a bad site.

That doesn't mean the statistics are wrong in anyway...it could very well be that the site itself is attempting to use that data in a negative or hateful way. But yes...I posted statistics from three sources. Crime is a real problem...it's not racist to point it out. Sometimes a narrative will crumble under evidence, doesn't necessary mean the other extreme is correct either.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Dinh AaronMk I'm very tired, but I will attempt to read and respond. Be lenient. <.<

I know that was a joke, but really people that can look at America. See that it's the most powerful, richest nation, largest population, who uses it's military overseas to protect the rest of the free world. Yada yada 'Murica' yada. Just saying to make a point. (of course every system is flawed and can be corrupted. Humans exist.) And go..."Yep, Capitalism probably doesn't work as well as Socialism does." and be sincere about it...the internet would not be what it is today, without it. (yes, it may have possibly existed, but not in it's current form.)

Just to briefly state a few things. The theory makes it seems likes it a universal statement. Like all people are equal in what jokes they find acceptable, but clearly isn't the case. The Irish went through plenty of shit and they had senses of humor and absolutely no one is rioting for past transgressions, nor are they offended by others making fun of them. (And honestly it seems a little racist to assume that blacks, are the only ones that -can't- take jokes from others outside their social circles.) Which I know isn't true, because friends or not. I was in a ghetto high school and lived there. Racial jokes are nearly an exclusive source of jokes, to friends and strangers. If you heard a joke, it would probably give the average crybaby on the net, a heart attack. Everyone of my friends grew up in the ghetto and not exactly well off and not all of them were black...But that aside.

If it's true, I must just know plenty of anomalies within the theory. I'm sure there's some truth to it, but at the same time I think. My point is more than ever people are taking jokes, far too seriously and trying to silence and label people as evil for jokes. Usually it's people getting offended for the sake of others who don't care. It's a growing and I'd argue a recent problem. Safe spaces did not exist back then...this is a legit concern of where the future is going. I don't find that because teenagers post things on the internet, that makes PC culture somehow valid. Freedom of speech is actually being attacked...(Canada right now, is undergoing parliament to ban all criticism of Islam...) That's not the only example, but it's a recent one. An example of literal thought policing. Which legit scares me to put into law. I can only fucking imagine, if something like this for Christianity passed in America...

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Dynamo Frokane You're grasping at straws and can't even form proper sentences while addressing me. You're deliberately twisting my words. (but yes those three posts weren't real examples of discussion.) Plus, since you've already called me creepy among other things.

So can I just say, I don't particularly take this conversation seriously...But as an adult, I post because I legit have nothing better to do at 2 am and I occasionally find this entertaining. So if you wanted to make me have fun...you're doing a good job. (if all the emoticons weren't clear on that.) It's really hard when I can't take it seriously because of your actions previously and currently. You can keep trolling me, or doing whatever the hell you think you're doing. Like trying to get something over one on me. I'll humor you. Social tip 101. Discussions are had when people try to learn something. It doesn't happen when both (or one person specifically) are desperately trying to win...

Isn't*

I could do this all day. By the by, I do know what you're doing. (I just really don't care.) If this really excites you, man I could show you people that will give you much more interesting reactions... <.<

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Dynamo Frokane *reads first sentence* Nope. Didn't read what I said in my last post. So I will offer you the same curiosity and just skip the rest. (But just for clarity sake.)

"And since you're trying so hard to prove that there's some discussion where politics doesn't turn into toxic waste...and three threads is the best you got...I already can beat you on the number of things that turned nasty because of it...<.<"

This points out, even if I give you the leniency that some (in your case three) threads exist where people can be political without being cocks to one another. I pointed out, more often than not, it does happen. And said I have far more than three examples and threads of things that turned out bad because of politics was mentioned.

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@Dinh AaronMk Brought a lot of the table to discuss with that one didn't ya?

No, the theory in my opinion holds absolutely no water in my eyes. It doesn't make any sense. That was my point...I'm also completely aware of the differences, so thanks for the implication otherwise. Scientifically backed theories have been proven wrong before. So why not now?

blog.chron.com/sciguy/2010/11/the-top-..

list25.com/25-science-facts-that-were-..

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

You could translate this into the complained scenario earlier that people can't take a joke because the joke is a fundamentally racist one into this: it's in poor taste for a white person to tell a joke about black people to a black person because it's a kickdown in most cases on the basis that blacks in the US have historically had the shit-end of the stick like Native Americans. They's so far down on the ladder that it's just evil to kick them down when the other group is so high up.

@Dinh AaronMk

I didn't really want to dive back into this, but I'll touch on this VERY briefly to see if I understand this right.

According to this "theory", whether you believe it or not is up in the air. But basically it's the equivalent of Privilege Points...so a black person will automatically have more leniency in saying black jokes than a white person. Because "whites" have unfairly treated blacks in the past history. So that would also assume literally everything would be that case, that you couldn't in good taste make a good joke about stupid people unless you were actually mentally disabled in some way? Or a joke about your wife, if you're not a women. But your mother could and it would make that joke better and more sensible?

Okay, to peel that back. People have been assholes to fucking everyone. Africa STILL has slavery...their 'black'. I can guarantee there treated worse now there. So does that standard hold any water?

articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/17/world..

Just ignoring the other cases, because I think the idea that certain jokes can't be said by certain people is a ridiculous standard that WILL enable double standard shit later down the line of questioning. And it could just endlessly be picked apart...

It also, absolutely ignores case by case basis's, most of my friends lived in the ghetto...and racial humor is literally almost always used when I'm around them. So if I told them, or if they told me "The moon" joke. (who hasn't heard that joke before?) It would be inappropriate because of our skin color and DISREGARD the whole "friends for years" thing. And honestly jokes are funnier the more absurd they are...which is exactly why trying to make them stale, or with what this theory implies force people to only tell jokes, that they're "allowed to". How fucking stale would it be if everyone was limited in that way? And I'd also argue I don't even think that's how human brains work anyway...I think there is a double standard in most comedy. And it has absolutely can't be excused as "well this happened, so therefore..." because most cultures have experienced many of the same trials and tribulations. Everyone is human after all...

So, in short don't know much about the theory, but it sounds really wrong to me. But I could very much see that being believed as a valid opinion to have. And it struck a chord.

Shuffle your music player and post the first 10 songs

"Stand Alone Complex" - To Speak Of Wolves
"Seven Devils" - Sadistik
"Beautifully Broken" - This Beautiful Republic
"Broken" - Seether
"pointers" - The Algorithm
"This Time Is Different" - Evans Blue
"Unwanted" - Avril Lavigne
"Check" - Zebrahead
"For A Pessimist, I'm Pretty Optimistic" - Paramore
"Storms of Disillusions" - Extol