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@TheWindel Mhmm. Do tell what tweaks would be necessary.

Somehow I'm betting at the end of them I'll have: Anti-Friction, Mantle, and Telepathy. Whoo. Yes. I'll definitely be able to... Fight Lillian. When she's not in her mech suit.
@TheWindel The experience of.. what? Exactly? Fighting Henry and Zeruel? Good fights, but only because she had powers she does not and will never have. It's not like Helena actually told them anything that Miyu didn't already assume was true.

I was using it as an opportunity to take off all her old baggage. Throw it all back on it's rather pointless. In her post wrestling with her demons, she was the one who lost, not won.
@Lucius Cypher Does Fran have any kids?
@KoL Well, right, in that case I can just have this Miyu poof into nothing because it was just a Henry memory, and then continue moping around Heaven. I'm sure the Miyu that does nothing but complain is much preferable to everyone.
@TheWindel And she doesn't have to be a mind reader to tell this is not the same Miyu. But it will make it harder to miss.

Also interestingly enough:
Miyu the Honorless Blade's record-
Ruthuria: Fought for the angels until unconscious and captured.
Alt-Signia: Fought for the angels until brain damaged, and then attempted to continue helping but made things worse.
Hohenheim: Fought for the angels until killed, even if she did disregard Juno's orders.
Arcadia: Did not participate.
KC-00032: Fought for the angels nominally, she didn't fight anyone, just stole some machina stuff. Which hey, hurts them a tiny little bit. You can't fault her for not picking a fight with Eos.
As much as she whined, she never actually betrayed them until after losing her memory and becoming a completely different person.
@KoL Does Eos know whether or not everyone was going to turn around after they left? Does she have lie-detection/mind reading? If so, please tell, because that will make Miyu's situation so much better.

Eos: Because you're such a chronic traitor, we're installing a kill-switch.
Miyu: I don't remember doing that.
Eos: Hmm.. Ok, you don't. What do you remember?
Miyu: I fought a dude named Henry, and a guy named Zeruel.
Eos: Hmm... Have you seen our nice propaganda pamphlets?
@Lucius Cypher Miyu's powers in dream land are basically "Really really really annoyingly good defensive/reflection suite". She doesn't have brute force attack power. Also, it was Zeruel's post next, unless I'm being an idiot and missed it.
@Lucius Cypher But I came here for endless senseless war.
@KoL I wanted to leave and regroup. I was saying "Hey, everybody, let's pretend to retreat, and regroup outside and attack again". Aka, pulling Artoria's most historically successful "pretend to surrender then do something while the person you surrendered to isn't looking" maneuver.

And then you stated "If you leave the factory, the battle is over" and so we tried staying, and that didn't go well.

We wanted to retreat to outside the factory, up until the point you said "retreating loses the battle".
@TheWindel Henry was unable to land so much as a scratch on Juno. Juno only took a hit after she herself got distracted and got hit by Grafdakka. As for Henry crying against Eos, that was after we were told "No, you can't win, go home" in "your character will be permanently deleted if you stay" terms.

@KoL I maintain that the "meaningful victories" marker is at:
Machina: 2 (Regardless of who had bastion for one third of a fight, they got her back. And then they won the Ruthria-Alt-Signia-KC-00032 chain)
Angels: 1??? (They supposedly got a boon from Honenheim, but the only people who have actually been receiving battlefield applicable upgrades from her is the Machina, and the "everybody who lived can ask for a boon" gift that everyone got)
Demons: 0 (Arcadia was literally pointless, Bastion was recaptured before she got to do anything for the demons)
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