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Theodorable said
Wernher; very well thought out civilization. The way I see it -- the Graal have realized that mindlessly invading entire other solar systems worked initially, but now maintaining how garrison armies and fleets and the logistical costs of maintaining infrastructure are becoming a large problem. Now they are attempting to put in place pro-Graal governments in lesser civilizations; basically anyone who would be willing to listen to the Graal and support an autocratic regime, most likely a military leader.So your civilization can play the opposite side of the pendulum for fear from want and freedom of determination, no?Would you fancy some shared history, Werhnher -- at least in the last 50-100 years of the game sake so we can start off in a ideological war?


I wouldn't mind, not at all.

I'd say the Crayvens would probably belittle and infantilize the Graals a lot, not seeing them as a menace or an enemy but rather simply as 'People who do not understand' the universal truth of peace they hold. While they'd probably do everything in their power to avoid war I think there could have been an encounter with the 6 million war veterans that will gladly go to war on every occasion. So while the Crayvens are a race of pansies, I'd say this combined with the stories they tell about Zuhlo and the Great War they'd realize that they are not an enemy to be underestimated non the less. Weather this traduces to efforts for peace or preparation of a large scale surprise attack is up to you.
Arrrggg, urge to post and probably make a dick of myself again, rising.
Haven't forgotten about you btw, just trying to put an idea into words (And failing)
Theodorable, I'm game to be your US to your Russia, or vice versa.



Nation Name: Sixth Crayven Era

Race(s):
-Crayven, Flesh and Blood: 1,000,000,000
While significantly genetically modified, what's left of the flesh and blood population that will usually be digitalized at some point later in their existence, the only part of the population that can reproduce, it has stagnated and even declined a bit in the last few decades since making babies is apparently tedious, dangerous and unhygienic. Some like the thrill of going around and doing dangerous things knowing their lives could end, but most of them only do cheap thrills and the vast majority stays home.

-Crayven, Veteran: 6,000,000
Veterans and 'Remnants of the Fifth Era', they are considered as the beloved although Senile Grand Fathers of the nation. Most of them are violent racist and anti-AI brains in a jar that suffer from time in the form of increased mental problems. They are those that however do not submit to the Crayven altruism and fear of death, showing extreme patriotism and readiness to die for 'The Cause', an old idea dating from before the Great War Zuhlo used in the Schism to transform the populace in an Ideological fighting warrior.

-Crayven, Digitalized: 10,000,000,000
The Crayvens that feared death so much they decided they'd do away with it by becoming immortal data. Keep their 'Selves' in DNA containers Hard Coded with their personalities, memories, etc. They make a save of themselves about once a year just to be on the safe side and the Central keeps them stored in the world they live in as well as keep a spare in the Central Archive of New Homeworld. To some level, biological and Veteran crayvens feel that the digitalized are not 'Natural' have something off about them, a lack of expression only hormones and glands can create in a living being.

Crayven, Synthetic: 16,510,000,000
Once digitalized, Crayvens may no longer create life and thus, decided to do this synthetically, the synthetics themselves could not reproduce and thus also decided to design their offspring by computer. Today they are a majority in Crayven space but the list of their creation is still very long since the Opening Statement of the Sixth Era declared that there can only be as much as 1.5 times the non-synthetic population that can be synthetic, beyond the creation will be restricted. With the dwindling Flesh and blood population, they are actually 1 million above the count.

Racial Traits:
+PERFECT ALTRUISM: It is judged extremely important for all Crayvens to realize that everything is a matter of perspective. There is no good, no evil, only what you judge to be so and thus it is important to remember that the very definition of words and ideals vary from one to another. This makes them very good at diplomacy and also makes the crime rate in their society null and police as well as the need for them, non-existent.

-FEAR OF DEATH: Including abusive pain also, the ultimate sacrifice is never one they are willing to make. A lot of Crayvens have access to technologies allowing them to thrump death, but they aren't fullproof. Menace of death, especially a slow and painful one, is always taken extremely seriously. It is accurate to say that they are (Or rather have become) A race of cowards. Considering their altruism, it also means that they dread the death of others, even their enemies, as an extreme thing, the concept of old age being incredibly sad and horrible for them.

Civilization Tier: 2 or 1? Read history, I'm not sure.

Culture/Society:
Based on the principle of your rights end where my feelings begin and don't do to others what you wouldn't want to be done, it's been described as 'Sickingly good natured' by most foreigners. Politically they are ruled by an E-Democracy where the day to day functions are done by elected officials and major decisions made by the consensus of the general population. It is notable that death is the ultimate taboo and punishment for crimes is seen as barbaric, putting 100% energy in rehabilitation. Overall, the fact that their previous cultural influence were all but wiped away the Crayvens are extremely open minded and other than death, they see everything as equal to everything else, the only thing mattering being what you think about it.

History:
What happened before the Fourth Era is a mystery to everyone, the homeworld has been annihilated entirely so that only cosmic dust remains where it once stood, but it is known that in the Fourth Era, 2 massive empires went on to conquer the stars, they were called brothers, but each competed with each other for the most power, the most planets and the most conquest, this was thousands of years ago. Eventually this relationship turned violent and so they fought. The war was conventional at first and lasted decades on this state but as hate began to spread, it became more radical and bloody, both empire being of roughly equal size and technology. Eventually the war became so brutal they completely wiped all life, making killer robots made specifically to track life and end it, but the war went on, the two Super AIs, Zuhlo and 'Nemesis', the other's real name being lost in time, fought for thousands of years, destroying countless worlds to fuel the war, both under the command of exterminating the other and once it was done, restore the old order.

Eventually Zuhlo won, with weapons of terrible power wiping away entire solar systems and devouring planets of all lives, burning them with radiations so intense no machine could survive, even the Homeworld system was destroyed, being only a dot in stellar charters now where only a cloud a gas remains. All that remained was the most formidable war machine the universe had seen as well as the data needed to clone Crayvens once the war ended. Everything else had been destroyed in the fighting or wiped away from the memory banks to keep more valuable informations.

And so the Crayvens spawned once again, Zuhlo having accomplished its objective. It had no answer as to why such a horrible thing had happened, what had been the point, hell, even why the war had really began at all. The newly breed crayvens, seeing the world at maturity just coming from tanks of fluids found this all ridiculous, for they were social beings they naturally felt an association with those around them and swore never such a thing would happen. And so the Crayvens thrived, for some times.

As time went on, the war machine was destroyed, Zuhlo stored away as the Crayvens vowed and oath to peace. Another social revolution of a species both so young, without any form of culture and extremely advanced technology was to re-purpose the extremely advanced AI technology developed during the Great War to serve Crayvens. Creating Crayven-like intelligence had been trivial almost but people tended to use this for extremely selfish purposes. The friends you always wanted, the perfect lover or a harem of them. Ultimately however, both the Crayvens and their creation struggled with the concept of purpose. The Crayvens themselves, without religions, were pretty nihilistic, but their creations were sentient and made for a purpose, how this was Just or Right the Crayvens struggled to explain, it turned violent.

The thing was taking size quickly and the Crayvens found that their perfect machines were so ridiculously superior to them defeat was almost certain, so some suggested, and other agreed, that they would unleash Zuhlo on the machines. It was Zuhlo's purpose: Win wars. And so war raged on, 'The Great Schism' they called it. Zuhlo began with almost crippling inferiority to the enemy, they were robotic, could reproduce themselves at will, have near infinite competence as long as they perfected their programs. Zuhlo thus merged her know how of fighting machines during the Late Great War with early soldier training from it as well, transforming the population into warriors of the old, using technology to detach their brains from their bodies and give them an early form of immortality.

Eventually both factions, the organics seeing Zuhlo chop everyone to transform them in soldiers and simply destroy one planet after the other, and the machines at the sheer violence and mad genius of Zuhlo's assault as their doom. Both agreed to come to term and make peace.

Thus came to be the beginning of the Sixth era with clear boundaries about the creation of Synthetics and equal right. The main thing being that no Crayven may create a sentient being to satisfy a personal desire for a partner to complete them, even if all Synthetics came to be under the model of being children so the boundaries of the statement is still quite undefined. Right now, the Crayvens live mostly at peace, promoting understanding, friendship and responsible development, Zuhlo laying deactivated in a secret facility.

(OK, so, regarding galactic civ level, I don't know if it should be 1 or 2 because while they probably have the tech to be a 1, they dread to use it and a war would include actually rebuilding a military now that they have kept it at a minimum, plus, Zuhlo is considered a nutjob of a nightmare and as such, they would hold her from going turbo genocide until the situation was really desperate.)
Seems we are loosing momentum.

I think it would be to you, Impy?

Also, something I found.



Well, while Floret was out, I wasn't sure to be discarted by Alster, so too bad. Red is hostile & will probably keep her involvement at a minimum (Since OOC Impy doesn't like my Char). I know I have no one but myself to blame but my list of possible partners is diminishing quickly while my list of things to react to is now completely empty. Well, I'll lurk around and post when I have actually something to post that won't end by 'Flicker, she managed to ignore for the most part, since she cared little of what he thought.'. It's about quality not Quantity uh?
Double said
I'm just going to say this now. I have zero interest in seeing who can be the bigger douche, Wernher. So don't expect me flanderize and make a complete ass of Dawn just for that. Besides, Dawn is meant to be charming and likable in his antics, not an outright insufferable asshole. So they're not the same thing at all really.


Which means you're saying Flicker is a douche. You know I was using sarcasm, but if I haven't made that clear enough I'm sorry and I should practice my writing some more. Hard to convey feelings and emotions through words sometimes and I'm afraid english is not my native language.
"Haha, oh wow, what was that, 1 minute? Still doesn't beat my record of people trying to kill me 12 seconds after we met but I'm always impress when I can get 'Friendship lovers' on my back so quickly." Well, the commander and what seemed at first glance also be the most veteran fighter of the group was already picking side against him and the statistical probability of Flicker's survival got down by a decent amount. Still, it was probably higher than most here, if he didn't do something hilariously stupid like trying to be a hero, which he tended to do a lot. Still, he removed the dust and failed to notice the sword flying past him until it had hit the 'wall' and began to draw a large 'D'. Flicker had a snigger, good luck trying to look like more of a douche than Flicker had done just now new guy. When Dawn looked at Flicker, he actually forced himself to make the most insane looking and creepiest smile he could manage.

"OH VEY! Cupcakes! Don't mind if I do take one of those. *Munch munch, glup* Thanks by the way, I'm Flickering Light, call me Flicker, Fry Face, Burninator or whatever, Crispy Bacon is also good, annoyed sigh of exasperation afterward optional." As he ate, Flicker followed the conversations and raised his eyebrow (Or rather forehead) in interest as the Princess spoke. His chewing became really slow as this side of the discussion continued and he began to intensively fix Aster.

When she changed appearance Flicker's jaw seemed to gape for a moment before he swallowed and cough a bit. "Haha! I knew it! You guys always have this way to look at people, the eyes tell! Ah, it's so good that you're alive Mantis although I'm surprise too. ah... I uh, *cough*, sorry, I've mistaken you for someone I knew, like you, like, you know what I mean and, a-and I will stop talking about that now and let you deal with whatever we're talking about here in whatever ways you like best, before someone gets annoyed and punch me in the face and somepony decides to endorse her in doing so because she thinks I'm being an asshole, but hmmm..." Flicker licked his lips and teeth where lips where not to be found while taking quick looks at Commander Red, Floret, and Floret's hooves. "Yeah, it's really, really a shame you're not her but damn it's also very, very good! That means that she's, I mean, you two, well three if I count, but nevermind her actually since it's not the same, but that means that there are more of you out there and that's fantastic news! Haha, and now I want to know everything about you and your story but I keep babbling like an idiot and acting like a jackass in front of you which is totally not helping me to actually enter in your good grace and learn what I want to know except if maybe I seem like I also know of a lot of things you'd want to know and just by saying that out loud I'm making things worst and I... uh..."

Flicker stopped talking and slowly backed away from Aster (And also away from Floret), retreating next to Happy Golucky and taking another cupcake. "And I'll just shove this in my mouth to keep my mantibles from... articulating words... constantly. Yeah... Still, this travel will totally be worth it now that I-nononononoooope." And with this Flicker began to eat his second cupcake as to keep silent for a moment at least, his eyes alternating between Aster with some form of glee and to Floret with resentment and suspicion.
Well, leadership position would have been good, but I'm not picky.

But lets just say I don't believe in trend reversals so I'm not optimistic about this pool.
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