Willy Vereb

When Worlds Collide #2 - Xalku (Mikellh Dejax) vs Star Federation (Willy Vereb)

It's pretty cool also, I can see you like using acronyms a lot XD

From what I've seen of your army, your navy has a flagship class (the Vega), and two corvettes/fighters (the FINDER and TOAST), did I miss anything there?

@Mikellh Dejax

You may want to read it over.
FINDER is more like small or medium sized drones that fly in the skies usually for scouting or search&destroy missions. There are of course space-capable drones but those are usually called by other acronyms.
TOAST is basically a do it all space shuttle. You may call it a fighter but in general you don't really need dedicated fighters in the Federation to begin with. While Q-Box are less efficient than what they could achieve with actual dedicated weapons it allows such versatility that pretty much the only way to fight a starship to match one of similar power against it. There are room for tactics for sure but in general the formula is simple as that. Massed waves of fighters usually only invite a massacre without doing much to the starship. Again, there are exceptions with the use of good tactics, mind games or abusing technology in unexpected ways but the standard formula makes fighters in the Federation without any use. Besides fighters are another Last Great War term which nobody uses nor anyone designs vehicles with that purpose to avoid negative rep.

When Worlds Collide #2 - Xalku (Mikellh Dejax) vs Star Federation (Willy Vereb)

I'll let you post IC first.

@Mikellh Dejax

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How do you like my profile I posted in the character page here?
I have yet to add other spaceships to the list but I expanded on the units a bit. For example adding TOAST to the mix.
Seriously, those things are space fighters/shuttles, atmospheric craft, transport/troop carrier and battle tanks all at once.
Think of it like how technological advancements made it possible to make a tank which both great speed, firepower and mobility all at once thus making obsolete the old light, medium, heavy tank classifications. It's kind of the same expect turned up to eleven.

New Dawn Rising

Well, you'd need something like the internet for that to be plausible.
Early development of internet might be an interesting addition to the setting but I feel it might change too much.
Granted personal computers exist in many countries so perhaps you can adopt that between allied states.

On a different note, I introduce a new prototype artillery:

ML-K44 Nimród

It's basically a lightweight walker artillery. Even with the new completely rebuilt Tas there's an issue with transportability and lack of mobility. Nimród solves this an unique way. Basically it walks on four articulated spider-like legs which allows it to climb difficult terrain. Just like their new tank destroyers the Nimród also have no gun traverse whatsoever. Instead it relies on the legs to position the gun along with the rest of the hull. This simplifies things and also allows to run the gun through the entire length of the vehicle and simplifies the autoloader, allowing it to fire with yet unparalleled rate of fire. It's an all electric design using a diesel fuel cell instead of typical combustion engines which is also a plus. On the other hand all these inventions do make the Nimród quite expensive.

New Dawn Rising

@Willy Vereb that's fine with me. I suppose it's fair to say that the NAU possesses quite a few overseas bases due to the war. NAU is really an masterful expansionist, using every event ever to further expand :)

@Monkeypants

I imagined more as you adopting a semi isolationist policy to the GW and made a killing from the loans and trade.
Otherwise your army would be busy with the Badlands or so.
You are free to imagine up a different scenario. Just tell it to the involved players.

New Dawn Rising

I spent a while to think a solution for the clusterfuck which is the Great War plot in our history.

Great War in brief

Basically it happened between RC1502 to RC1509.

Its prequel was the increasing shift into capitalist economies, abhuman rioting against their abuse and other events which meant many nations had to re-evaulate how to treat their abhuman minorities (ofc it was no problem for weird countries with abhuman majorities).

The Novogrod Empire which ruled most of Russia adopted new regulations which put abhumans and especially beastmen into borderline slavery. A massive wave of beastman refugees fled to the West. This included East European nations (which back then were not part of the League) and especially the Varangian Federation (basically an united states of Scandinavia). The Novogrod did not like this at all and demanded these nations to refuse taking in the escapees. Meanwhile the flood of millions of refugees caused a rather stressful atmosphere within Varangia, enough for certain extremist factions to gain power and take much of the Federation. In spite of that there was also a similarly strong opposition and things soon turned into a civil war.

In the following months the international atmosphere grew polarized, most powers taking sides at supporting either party of the two. Meanwhile the Novogrod Empire declared war on the small nation of Rutene. They happened to be allied with the Hungarian League thus the nation suddenly found itself facing off against the giant Novogrod Empire. At the same time the Novogrod held secret talks with Jodesian leadership and formed a military pact. Having its hands full with the Novogrod the Hungarians were unable to aid their ally Franco-Iberia when Jodesia launched a surprise attack on them and the Southen African Coalition.

And well, this pretty much started a chain reactions with practically every major nation choosing a side in this conflict. Feeling the push of the then rich and highly developed Jodesia the Franco-Iberians requested Matagasy help. At around the same time the Han Dynasty joined the Novogrod side thus the two empires proceeded to clobber each other as always. Casablia may also support the Han Dynasty due to sharing the same anti-abhuman beliefs but it's up to the player. NAU would support both Jodesia and Franco-Iberia and make a good dollar out of it. Given the fact the main point of contention is the treatment of abhumans, Oceanos with their almost pure beastman population would support the "Allies" against the "Novogrod Confederation". Things get messy but with more and more nations supporting the Allies the Novogrod is gradually weakening and eventually collapses by late 1508. It splits up to numerous small nations, some of them managed entirely by abhumans. Jodesia keeps fighting on and so does the Matagasy and Han, the latter being pretty much consumed in their own private war. Eventually Jodesia capitulates and loses a sizable portion of its territories to Franco-Iberia. Meanwhile the Hungarian League takes the remaining East European nations and the Finnish portion of Varangia under its wings as their "protectorates" (becoming members in 3-5 years). The war between Han and Matagasy went on but without a satisfying conclusion to either side. The enmities never stopped since then.

This is basically a mix of WW1 and WW2 into one conflict. Albeit tech-wise it'd be likely closer to WW2.
What do you think?
Did I get things good or you wish to change something about your nation's involvement in this plot/history.

@Shorticus@Brink_@Sigma@Monkeypants@Isotope@Inkdrop@Nerevarine@Jig@Taeryn

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That will work. I can arrange that to be part of my introductory post - preparations for an event of that nature in the future.

And yeah, I see these as mostly older models that have gotten some upgrades in Malagasy to make up for their age, but they're still... well, old tanks.

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I guess it'd depend on who else participated in that war?

If it was just Jodesia vs. Franco-Iberia and Hungary, then Malagasy Enterprises would probably stay out of that. They'd have it covered, and there are no formal alliances between Malagasy Enterprises and the major world powers. However, they'd totally have kept trading with their business partners.

If there was a truly serious threat to the survival of their partners, Madagascar would send supplies and troops to help out Franco-Iberia and Hungary. So, if the war turned out to be a close victory, then Madagascar would have jumped in and helped.

Besides that, the corporation has probably been busy butting heads with the Great Han.

@Shorticus

I am actually considering the idea of Great War to be about the emerging issue of mutants/abhumans/beastmen and how to treat them.
Or more like a reoccurring issue just subdued for so long.
Jodesia was either anti-abhuman in policies or were near-neutral but other issues like missing out expanding into Africa motivated them to the ones actually starting the war.
Basically they picked the short end of the stick and participated in a war which wasn't even actually about them.
Anyways, due to this reason Jodesia can maintain amicable relations with us even though we used to be enemies.

How does it sound?

When Worlds Collide #2 - Xalku (Mikellh Dejax) vs Star Federation (Willy Vereb)

Star Federation of Mankind

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Civilization Overview

Star Federation of Mankind (usually shortened to Federation or SF) is a supernational government of all humans. It forms a polito-economical union with the numerous governments in the Solar System and its neighbors. The Federation's origins date back to about 300 years following the end of the Last Great War, the most destructive event of their history. Weary of war and to prevent this from ever happening the committee decided on strengthening international communications, integrating economic systems while synchronizing politics to better reconcile with each other. They planned it step by step with the eventual goal being complete unification within a hundred years, a dream which never happened. From the outside the Federation may seem like a single body but in reality they are anything but that. There are countless nations and political parties each pushing their own agenda. Humanity may have avoided major wars for centuries now but their political forums are very much like warzones themselves. Similarly what once was a benign movement for peace and the good of Mankind turned into the plaything of economic powers. Money is the king within the Federation and as long as they can get away with it the political powers engage in various unethical deeds for profit. The Federation is a highly advanced civilization with many achievements, but this also made them overly confident in their technology. Also ironically enough until just a few years they had difficulties to develop decently fast FTL drives, thus remaining largely isolated from the galactic community. They observed near-certain signs of distant alien civilizations and even sent out probes but the Federation has yet to make contact with any sentient lifeform other than themselves.
Further Information: roleplayerguild.com/posts/3419300

Military Overview

The main military force of humanity is the Federation Starfleet. They are a multi-national force recruited from the military of other nations. Starfleet has strict selection process and only allows the best. While combat skill is important they put even more focus to human relations and handling stressful situations. They are hardly the only military, though. Each national government maintains their own military and police forces as well as security forces employed in private sectors. Still, when it comes to military power Starfleet is the largest factor, especially in terms of space force. Due to the memory of the Last Great War the term warship and associated aesthetics garnered a huge negative opinion. To avoid being labeled as proponents of war Starfleet eschewed dedicated weapons on their starships altogether. Instead of cannons, guns and missile bays the Federation uses modified Q-Fabs to create projectiles and launch them at various exits. Following that these projectiles are assisted and directed by altering the function of the shields. The end result is the Q-Box, a versatile weapon system which may be less powerful and much less efficient but with centuries of relative peace they never needed more. On the ground the Federation relies on drones and robots considerably though because of the terrors during the Last Great War they are always accompanied with a human operator supervising them. Anything done by these machines is the responsibility of the operator. Overall the size of the Federation military is small and their equivalent is almost more focused on PR than actual military needs. That being said their highly advanced technology allows them to get away with this surprisingly well.

Starfleet Personnel

The best of the best, the so-called "elite" of the Federation. Starfleet personnel are thoroughly selected and then pass a difficult training to become part of the main peacekeeping body of the Federation. In the age of drones and robots these people risk their lives for the sake of Mankind. Well, that's how it was supposed to be. In effect Starfleet is an old organization which grown increasingly clique-like. Starfleet indeed has a rigorous selection process, one so insane almost no person can pass. Yet many thousands of people are admitted to Starfleet each year. How? By the mere fact the system is full of faults and corrupt officials. Being admitted into Starfleet is no longer the matter of skills but connections. As such it comes as no surprise that the once highly competent Starfleet is much less than what it's supposed to be. Granted, Starfleet is still the greatest collection of the Federation's scientific and technological prowess but when it comes to combat ability their performance is...erratic to say at least. Starfleet combatants once used their skills combined with technology to be a superior force. Nowadays they use technology to supplement their skills and their inexperience at war makes them commit ridiculous mistakes on occasion. Exceptions still exist but your average Starfleet personnel knows little more about battle than how to pull the trigger. They can disassemble their PASERs or fix a phase modulator even in their sleep but many Starfleet members can't even throw a decent punch.

Starfleet Uniform

Specially made outfit which doubles as their protective suit. It's woven of durachrome-enhanced metamaterials and because of that the suit actually weighs over 10kg when not worn. The suit is durable enough to withstand certain small arms but that's only one of its function. The uniform is filled with various sensors both to check the surroundings and to monitor the status of the wearer. It's also equipped with an artificial gravity generator which doubles as an inertial compensator. The suit's wearer is cushioned from force and can walk in various gravities. Lastly the suit has an environmental shield to protect against hazardous environment and provide life support even in space.

ARS Suit

Augmented Reaction Systems Suit is a special equipment worn in the rare high-intensity conflicts. Only those who pass Class III Weapons Test can be allowed to wear ARS Suits and only when receiving the permission of the Captain or higher authority. Unofficially called the "Battlesuit" this compact armored suit is enhanced by inertial fields and gravitic acutators, giving the user massive strength and mobility on par with a land vehicle. For further boost it uses micro impulse engines that can both increase speed and allow the capability of flight. In terms of protection the inner suit is made of nanomesh muscle fibers sufficient against light anti-personnal weapons while the key areas are reinforced by durachrome composite plates. For this reason and other concerns the suit weighs around half a ton without the mass lighteners kicking in. Aside from armor it also sports complex shield system using Higgs shields, Lightwave Barriers and Gravity Deflector technology. It also has active protection systems and limited countermeasures. The suit has a micro Q-Fab/Q-Med for providing ammo, food and life support as well as do emergency operations on the field. The suit has a virtually enhanced interface along with various sensors and computer assistance. ARS Suits turn the otherwise frail Starfleet security personnel into a fighting machine fitting both the role of SWAT and vehicular assault. Starfleet has next to no combat vehicles and instead they rely on their ARS Suits to fill that out.

F.R.I.E.N.D.

Federation Robotic Intelligence Enabled Normal Drone (FRIEND) is an AI-equipped humanoid machine made to replace human infantry. They are based after the robotic armies from the Last Great War but with at least one major difference, they are bound to the orders of their designated (human) operator. FRIENDs have a rather sophisticated AI to rapidly adapt to various combat and non-combat situations but they are fitted with several restrictions for safety. The presence of human operator is only required for one thing: accountability. Anything the robots do are the responsibility of the operator. Technical specifications wise FRIENDs are built of light composites with only minimal use of Durachrome or similar superheavy materials in order to make them more economical. As a consequence FRIENDs are relatively unprotected albeit being machines they can sustain considerable damage before losing capacity for combat. Physically a FRIEND is stronger and faster than regular humans though nowhere close to the capabilities of the ARS Suits. They have sophisticated sensors and targeting system which can make them dangerously good shots.

F.I.N.D.E.R.

Federation Interlinked Normal Drone for Escort and Recon. They are various relatively small floating disc-shaped drones that are generally used for advance scouting. Though their role is data-gathering and recon they usually come equipped with an MQB (micro quantum box) which is smaller and more limited than Q-Boxes or even PASERS but can be effective at fighting lightly equipped opponents. More importantly they have a myriad of sensors for analyzing their surroundings and feeding back the results via Q-Link. Actually, many FINDER drones don't even have an actual AI and instead they receive commands via a larger computer system. This saves weight but also make FINDERs useless once they're caught within a Q-Jammer field.

TOAST

Is it a transport, a plane or a fighting vehicle? None of them yet can fulfill all of these roles. Tactical Transport is basically the Federation's mainline fighting vehicle. Just like warships, tanks and fighters also share a negative reputation. Using these terms or designing vehicles with such specialization are an easy way to label yourself as warmongering madman. At the same time technology advanced sufficiently that specialization was no longer necessary to fulfill these roles. Thus they developed the Tactical Orbital Aerial and Surface Transport (TOAST), a high-speed heavily protected troop and equipment transport equipped with inconspicuous yet significant firepower. Currently the most common variant utilized by Starfleet is TOAST-111 Vantgardeur Tactical Transport (pictured above). Compared to old models it's incredibly compact mostly thanks to the Pattern Storage technology which allows it to compress objects or even living cew into quantum-data while keeping them in a subspace vacuum cell. This is accomplished by a compact Shortcaster device capable of "beaming" people and equipment in and then "beam" them out wherever it's needed. As unbelievable as it may sound this method also improves survivability as the Pattern Hold keeping the data of the cargo could survive many things which the transport itself could not. Thus even if the transport is destroyed the Pattern Hold can be recovered and used to rescue its contents. In terms of armaments it has a CQB (Compact Q-Bay). Strangely enough the smallness of the Vantgardeur forced designers to make a rather controversial choice to give the Transport a sorts of turret on the top. This turret hides a Fold Accelerator necessary for high-performance PPE and anti-orbital scale firepower. For less powerful functions the vehicle can launch IGPs from practically anywhere. Mobility-wise the Vantgardeur can operate in all theaters, accelerate to hypersonic velocities or freely enter/exit the atmosphere. Albeit given the difference in power fighting a Starship with Tactical Transports is nothing less than foolish.

Starfleet obviously put the most focus on space forces. Their starships are top-notch to maintain their overall edge. Many technologies and scientific developments are first employed within Starfleet and knowledge of basic ship system is one thing all Starfleet members are well educated in. On the other hand the memories (or ore like propaganda) about the horrors of the Last Great War made the term warship taboo, as well as anything associated with it. While pistols and rifles are an accepted symbol of authority, any vehicle/vessel sporting gun turrets or any large weapons would be likely mark their users as crazy warmongers. As such rather than using actual weapons Starfleet developed the Q-Box, a weapon system relying on already existing elements to use them for offense. In terms of effectiveness the Q-Box certainly worse than purpose-built weapons but the Federation's technology is lenient enough to make these work. Believing in quality over quantity Starfleet has relatively few starships but each can pack quite a punch. The term "Starship" was actually coined by Starfleet to designate their new "not-warships" as a PR move. Since then any ship with interstellar capability is dubbed starship which was an intentional move in order to further mask from the general conscious the terrible firepower concentrated within Starfleet's hands. For similarly PR reasons the Federation had abandoned the old custom of using wet navy ship classifications.

Q-Box

Not exactly an armament but rather a "software update" and design philosophy for most combat spaceships within the Federation. Memories of the Last Great War its further demonization by propaganda made people averse to hearing about warships. They are weapons of war which is the furthest from the supposed ideology of their "peaceful" society. As such Federation combat ships literally have no weapons. Instead they utilize the already existing Q-Fabs, inertial control fields or even their shields and other systems in order to create, launch and guide projectiles towards their enemy. The exact mechanism are complex and differs from ship to ship. They can use gravomagnetic or spatio-accelerator mechanisms to launch IGPs/ISFPs of various size and specifications. Q-Boxes are versatile though certainly restrained in power compared to what a purpose-built weapon could do. Accidentally for civilizations unfamiliar with Federation technology they'd be unaware of any weapons existing aboard Starfleet ships. On the other hand since shields are involved with the manipulation of the projectiles it's possible to aim and time the attacks right the moment when part of the shields are exposed/vulnerable. Such methods are commonly employed during ship-to-ship combat between fellow Federation ships.

Vega-class Starship

Name: Hull Classification LRTRS-7470HD Vega (also referred as Wāqi for its Arabic origins)
Classification: Long-Distance Tactical Recon Starship (equivalent of a Battlecruiser in other cultures)
Dimensions: length: 675m, width: 195m, height: 88m
Standard Mass: 321,680,000 metric tons (prior to mass-compensation, doesn't include weight above the standard cargo)
Standard Crew: 750
Powerplants: Conversion Reactors x 3, ZPEEU, Emergency Reactors
Propulsion: Impulse Drives x 2, Inertial Propulsion System, Graviton Thrusters
Interstellar Travel: Fold Boosters x 2 (most important for fast and economical travel, limited Fold/Farcaster capacity is always there)
Armor: 275mm Durachrome Composite-S (reinforced by integrity fields)
Sensors: Foldwave Radar, hypersensory package, GADAR, Hypertelescopes, backup sensors
Defense Systems: Inertial/Integrity Fields (surrounding the structure), Higgs Shields (up to 9 layers usually 50-540m away from the hull), Lightwave Barrier (about 2.7km from the center of the ship), Gravity Deflectors (outermost layer extending to 70km in radius)
Number of Primary Q-Bays: 120 (20 groups of 6 ports each)
Shortcaster Arrays: 12
Main Dish: 1
Shuttle Bays: 4

The Vega-type ships are one of the newest starships developed within the Federation. Unlike past starships which needed refits the Vega was already made with Farcaster Drives in mind. Given Starfleet's doctrine saying well-armed is strange but as a ship with 120 Q-Bay primaries it's one of the most combat-oriented starships to date. Its more streamlined shape aids through the currents of hyperspace while the fold boosters are also optimized to enhance Farcasting. These reasons led for the Vega-class becoming the basis of their ultra-long range explorer ship the Enterprise.

New Dawn Rising

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In that case, let's leave it as a huge question mark. It can be implied that MAYBE there were some dealings between the East Africa Trade Group and the U.S. involving genetics, but there's no solid proof for or against the idea.

@Brink_@Willy Vereb Gonna go ahead and make it a finalized statement: Malagasy Enterprises USED to buy its tanks chiefly from Hungary. However, in recent years (15 or so years) it's been buying more tanks and planes from Franco-Iberia instead due to their common background. The one tank it still buys from Hungary is the HK-27 Lehel, which is a tank most Peacekeepers are familiar with and so has proven harder to phase out. If a contest between the two nations goes down to prove who makes the better tanks, then Malagasy Enterprises will watch with GREAT interest.

The HK-27 is a mainline tank, so this is actually a considerable purchase Malagasy Enterprises makes.

@Inkdrop Mutants/abhumans/etc. are tolerated in Corporate Madagascar. That's not to say they're loved; they're definitely treated as second class citizens. But they're tolerated. Malagasy Enterprises puts money first and would happily make deals with your nation if it seemed profitable.

@Nerevarine Should we work out what sort of bad blood there may be between our nations? Past wars? It seems very likely to me that they've tangled with each other in the past. I reckon that your nation has the superior navy, but my nation's population and probable land superiority have kept them pretty evenly matched with some wars resulting in losses for one side and some for the other.

@Monkeypants Yeah, I think Corporate Madagascar is definitely supporting the separatists because they figure the two main North American nations aren't going to try punching Madagascar with the distance between them, and they've got a lot to gain by having a third major power crop up in North America (though the Grogar are 100% not compatible with Malagasy needs). So, they're supporting the separatists. That could cause some tension.

With that said, they'd happily help the NAU expand its borders into South America. Why? Because the NAU is friendly with Franco-Iberia. By helping the NAU, Malagasy Enterprises hopes to earn the favor of its "kindred" state, Franco-Iberia. This would probably come in the form of public praise for the NAU's efforts to "civilize the south," trade deals, and maybe even some small military support once the fight gets to Brazil. Both nations are in punching range of that place, after all.

@Isotope We've already agreed that our nations have a cold, standoffish relationship, aye?

@Taeryn Okay, so since both nations are willing to set aside ideals for the sake of mutual benefit and profit (because of course they are), do we want to establish what sort of relationship they have? Trade would definitely be involved.

I'll add that Corporate Madagascar's relationship with your nation will also depend on your nation's relationship with Hungary. Madagascar doesn't want to upset Hungary too much if it can avoid it. They've got a good business relationship going on.

@Shorticus

Looks good to me. Reminder that I have yet to ask around people about nation relations.

Anyways, if you used to have Hungarian hardware then I suppose your HK-27s are also older models, likely upgraded domestically.
As for competition my original idea was that you'd be the host and the results could decide which tank to adopt.
@Brink_
Although I still wonder what kind of tanks Franco-Iberia have.
Should I assume something similar to what the French had in the 50s? Those are some sweet tanks, mind you.

BTW, how would our international relations to be?
I assumed we fought together in the Great War but against whom?
I think it's about time to solve the loose ends.

When Worlds Collide #2 - Xalku (Mikellh Dejax) vs Star Federation (Willy Vereb)

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Let's go with our full military might, so both of us can use our space, sea, air, and ground forces if we have them.

@Mikellh Dejax

Pardon for the delay I am kind of occupied with things so I neglected you without really intending it.
All of them is kind of given. But the point is that such terms are way vague. How large battles you wish to fight?
Technically since starships are so OP you only need a couple of them for almost any job so even when there's a large-scale battle you'd most likely only see dozens of them or so. Albeit there might be lower tier ships operated by the local forces.
Sounds okay with you?

How about ground battles? Federation in general doesn't fight in massed warfare and rather they utilize smaller but well-trained and extremely well equipped soldiers on the surface.
In contrast I suppose you can just spam large armies of those creatures and be fine.

Anyways, for better clarity please write for them a profile in the characters section.
Here's a few examples what I am talking about:
roleplayerguild.com/topics/93165-when-..
roleplayerguild.com/topics/87051-when-..

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That might be a good bit of roleplay. Malagasy Enterprises would be watching intently.

Perhaps, for the time being, Malagasy Enterprises purchases its planes from Franco-Iberia and its tanks from Hungary? Or certain mainline tanks from one, and certain mainline tanks from the other.

@Shorticus

I don't wish to butt into what you want with your military. Realistically picking one type of tank from a nation and another fulfilling the same role from another is a bad idea. But this is a game so it's up to you.

But yeah, IC competition between manufacturers could be fun.

Getting alot of fantastic discussion in here!

I just want to add, dont forget about aircraft XD

I sell some pretty cool stuff :)

@Monkeypants

I have plans for other planes, too. For example I might build flying saucers. They were testing those back in the 1950s.
Some small mech and jet speeder might be made, too.