Borgies pls go

[Dinh AaronMk]

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Well, then you should probably draft some legislation that: 1) forces these companies to package the "imperfect" food, and 2) hires government employees to collect and transport them to those that are starving. I'm sure that'd do a lot of good, and bring food prices down both locally and internationally.

@catchamber

Fam, you don't think that's what people are not trying to do? There are entire ads about reclaimed food.


"Follow the journey of a strawberry from the farm to the refrigerator to understand all that it takes to bring your food to you. Did you know that 40% of our food ends up wasted? Wasted food is the single largest contributor to landfills in the US—not to mention that it wastes water, labor, fuel, money, & love!"



It's a lot fucking easier than building or remodeling a multi-million dollar structure with a suffocating energy demand in order to grow some beats.

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What? Their use of government subsidies resulted in an economic bubble burst, which should've been obvious. Their farming practices eroded the local topsoil, which led to the Dust Bowl. Their lack of distilling biofuel from the surplus wheat led to their loss of property, which was their fault.

I'm not saying they should've been left to die, but they were pretty stupid.

I don't think you quite get the economic conditions of the early 20th century. Not only was grain and corn based fuel not a part of the public conscious let-alone not even a science yet, but so much oil was being pulled up from Texas at the time that gasoline was dirt cheap. A gallon of gas was ten-cents, adding more fuel to the fuel market would have crashed it even more and they'd still have lost their farms.

And further: you're missing the point. Capitalism always crashed after growth and everyone forgets that. They did, Hoover did, Woodrow Wilson did. Of course you can say that now because that's only in retrospect but it doesn't make you anymore intelligent than they were.

And it was hardly the farmer's fault alone either. There was a whole problem with eastern suitcase farmers coming into Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas to play acres of wheat and then leaving until harvest time when they'd scope it all up, sell it, and leave the fields barren and naked, unlike the local farmers who would have made efforts to take care of the land they lived on, because it was the land that kept them alive. Like the corporate bankers, the suitcase farmers only cared for a quick buck.

And even before the Dust Bowl in the late 19th century the wills of east coast capitalism were driving for the development of land that really should have stayed unused, or for beef production (or if they just used bison, but wait; they killed all the bison to kill all the indians!). They sold cheap acreage to immigrants from Europe who willingly settled the land because they got the American dream sold to them.

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Bro, I'm not killing anyone. That's bad, and you should feel bad.

I'm coming for that tooth brush because you missed the point again.

[Dinh AaronMk]

[Keyguyperson]

Tsk tsk tsk, halfa y'all need to be sent to The Eternal Gulag. It's like the Matrix, except eternal and tortures you because fuck borgies. I am the ultimate tankie.

[ClocktowerEchos]

Tsk tsk tsk, halfa y'all need to be sent to The Eternal Gulag. It's like the Matrix, except eternal and tortures you because fuck borgies. I am the ultimate tankie.

@Keyguyperson

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Suck to be an idiot farmer living in the central USA during the early 20th century, I guess. Too bad they missed out on the opportunity to provide a local and renewable fuel source, to make up for their national revenue loss through selling wheat!

@catchamber

This is like laughing at a dying caveman with food poisoning because he didn't just go and cook his mammoth meat on an electric stove. Not only are you being a complete dick by laughing at a dying person, you're saying its their fault because they didn't use technological advances that only came about after their death. This isn't even a 'Well communists believe that material conditions bla bla bla and I don't so they're stupid for not using biofuels", this is basic ignorance of common sense and the very nature of scientific advancement.

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[Keyguyperson]

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I'm not laughing at their deaths, I'm empathizing with their suffering. Also,

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So, your argument that they were completely oblivious to the idea of wheat being turned into a fuel is complete bullshit.

@catchamber

The difference here is that there wasn't a push to improve pure biofuels like there is now, because as was said earlier, gas was ten cents a gallon. And besides, do you really expect EVERY SINGLE IMPOVERISHED AMERICAN FARMER to start a biofuel business in the middle of the great depression? Because there certainly isn't a massive existing industry for that. They'd have to start their own refineries while their family starves. The usage of new technology doesn't end all problems, it has to go hand in hand with human activity. And in the great depression, nobody is going to expand into a fairly niche refining industry that's in its scientific infancy (this is important-we didn't instantly learn everything about biofuels in 1826. We realized that they could be a thing, and we are still learning how to get the most out of them even now).

Not to mention that this is literally the second paragraph from that same source:

"Today’s ethanol industry began in the 1970s when petroleum-based fuel became expensive and environmental concerns involving leaded gasoline created a need for an octane. Corn became the predominant feedstock for ethanol production because of its abundance and ease of transformation into alcohol. Federal and state subsidies for ethanol helped keep the fuel in production when ethanol prices fell with crude oil and gasoline prices in the early 1980s. This also helped spawn the “Minnesota Model” for ethanol production, in which farmers began producing ethanol to add value to their corn (Bevill, 2008). The Minnesota Model was an agreement between local public and private parties who work to keep profits in the community by providing jobs (and the economic benefits associated with population) and adding value to agricultural products while strengthening rural communities. Ethanol’s use as an oxygenate to control carbon monoxide emissions, encouraged increased production of the fuel through the decade and into the 1990s."

I'd also like to point out that "Sucks to be an idiot farmer" is among the least empathetic phrases you could have possibly used in this situation. Saying that you're showing empathy after saying that is the same as saying you empathize with poor whites in Appalachia after saying "Sucks to be a stupid hick".

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[Witch Cat]

What is it with this place and communism?

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[Dinh AaronMk]

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@catchamber

>X-shit
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>Says things that agree with my statement in a manner that seems proposed to disagree



fam at this point you declare your love for Stalin and I get to murder you when we remove the borgies.

That or you honestly don't know what you're talking about and your making shit up on the fly just to try and prove us wrong, thus engaging in cyclical action.

[Witch Cat]

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I know, right? If I didn't know any better, I'd be led to believe Marx, Engels, Stalin, and all the other communist legends time traveled to the present, then made accounts to roleplay on some random forum.

@catchamber

Entirely plausible theory.

And I also love how this started as a meme and devolved into a flame war. Good thing I have all this fire to cook my popcorn with.

[Dinh AaronMk]

What is it with this place and communism?

@Witch Cat

[Polymorpheus]

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[Dinh AaronMk]

Theoretical technology vs truck liner.

Let's stick to current solutions.

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[Dinh AaronMk]

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>mfw commies don't realize concrete using Bacillus bacteria has existed for almost a decade, that line-x has existed for decades, and that self-healing asphalt can last for decades

@catchamber

>mfw the kid on the internet can't even post legitemate sources on what he's talking about and just posts YouTube videos of scientists talking about it as if it's still in the theoretical developmental phase and some aussies chunking shit from a tower

It's like you don't even know how to cite actual articles. Besides, some fancy materials isn't going to solve anything or absolve the fact those new buildings you want to build or retro-fit are still going to cost millions and that the present means of overcoming muh world hunger is within hands but probably won't happen because the borgies get in the way.

Really what you're saying is stuff corporate officials in engineering firms what to have said because it gives them more money because they land contracts to build the elaborate mechanisms by which simple problems can be fixed.

But really you're deviating from the point at hand. The matter isn't scientific engineering, which seems to be the entire point you're making now. It's about the organization of a society. So frankly, you're moving the goal posts.

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[Keyguyperson]

>mfw nobody realizes that time crystals are the key to collapsing the universal wavefunction and bringing about the end of 11-dimensional reality, thus ending literally all possible forms of inequality through the complete destruction of everything, thus fulfilling the original wishes of Marx as laid out in the Gommunist Manifesto.

I'll tie your ass onto a bicycle while shoving a tube up your anus, so you can generate electricity and methane for my self sufficient space colony.

@catchamber

So that one episode of Blackmirror, except somehow more dystopian?

(Also I'm stealing this one, except the space colony doesn't have money and the bicycles are run by the bourgeoisie)