Hidden 6 yrs ago 6 yrs ago Post by Dinh AaronMk
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@Willy Vereb

I'm sorry to report in but your claims on territorial size claims is off. Your claiming yourself to be four-times larger than you really are, roughly. The benefit of tossing in longitudinal lines is that they give me a spring board to work off of. The math roughly coming down to:

If the distance between 67 degrees north and 10 degrees north is 3929 miles, then breaking it down to eight handy square chunks of 241,081 miles square. Making a square that size, I could run comparisons of each constituent area, scaling things, and otherwise eyeballing it. The conclusion is that if we really need to open Pandorra's box of autism then the final result is roughly 441,981 miles square or 711,299.47 kilometers square. Recognizing of course landmasses that aren't totally square can always be a mess to calculate, I highly doubt in the end your total land area is 2,162,492 square kilometers.

Per total population density to run that loose comparison, you're only slightly less dense than 14th century England, which is odd given how far north you are, and the sort of land that is that far north. You would be well within an area comparable to the Taiga Belt (Comparable in weather and soil condition to the green). And soil in the taiga isn't really that richest thing in the world, which leads me to being cynical over the stated population density on the revised total area and makes me ask: no matter what is your history, how does an Empire even form from a region where people would be subsisting by the very tips of their fingers? You're probably not going to be feeding a large population to be used to subdue other distant peoples from the north-western squiggle island.

Then there is to also add: I said sometime back that I want people signing up after the old interest check was left to drown to come in as smaller states. Something as spread out may not work.
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Here's a proper WIP. Before I finish can I ask @Liotrent @Letter Bee and @Dinh AaronMk to sign off? Don't want to finish and have to do a huge revision.

Also, what's the climate like in my area? I tried to figure out what latitude it'd be at but had no luck.

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@Crispy Octopus

Don't get too excited about the app. I'm only asking for so much. I don't want a fucking Wikipedia article.

As per climate: you're set up on the far side of the mountains so you're not likely to get any rain, you're in a pretty dry place where the prevailing weather should be the cold, dry air coming down from the north, which would likely keep back any dominant hot moist air from the sea further south, albeit in that direction you're a few hundred miles away from it.
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@Crispy Octopus, Acceptable; are the Yemarae human, or another race entirely? If so, what are their characteristics?
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@Dinh AaronMkReally? Huh. I was thinking the climate would have been similar to western Alberta, being in/behind the mountains and with a large prairie/grassland to the east. Alrighty then, agriculture will likley be a bit more limited if there are few rains throughout the year. Generally around glacial rivers and such.

@Letter BeeHuman. They tend to have an pale yellow eye colour which should exist in the west due to ancient Yemarae settlment and assimilation, but would be relatively rare. Beyond that their identifying characteristics are their general paleness and propensity for having black hair, though they tend to be a bit shorter than westerners even if that's largely a dietary concern.
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@Mistiel, we have to talk. First up, what didn't you get about my post? My guys were there to build good relations and propose trade, not to boast about their land. I wanted trade; Copper and agricultural products in exchange for manufactured goods and weapons. So I don't get why you are trying to build hostilities between your nation and mine.
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@Letter BeeHuman. They tend to have an pale yellow eye colour which should exist in the west due to ancient Yemarae settlment and assimilation, but would be relatively rare. Beyond that their identifying characteristics are their general paleness and propensity for having black hair, though they tend to be a bit shorter than westerners even if that's largely a dietary concern.


I see, and their history would still be a lie spread by their Shamans, right?
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@Letter BeeDepends on which part, there absolutely were Yemarae in the west in the distant past, but the idea that they were all slaughtered or turned on their own is patently false. Most of them simply assimilated into the culture of whatever state conquered them centuries ago. The Yemarae of the Karae Skae have always been the most traditional of the bunch, so however many centuries ago when the Yemarae of the west made deals or assimilated they were regarded as traitors. The shamans are telling a very biased history.
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@Letter BeeDepends on which part, there absolutely were Yemarae in the west in the distant past, but the idea that they were all slaughtered or turned on their own is patently false. Most of them simply assimilated into the culture of whatever state conquered them centuries ago. The Yemarae of the Karae Skae have always been the most traditional of the bunch, so however many centuries ago when the Yemarae of the west made deals or assimilated they were regarded as traitors. The shamans are telling a very biased history.


Ah; well, it seems that war is coming to my horizon, then...
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@Crispy Octopus, and yes, that means that I am fine with your CS, although it does make it hard to focus on other nations...
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@crispy octopus

First, please forgive any and all typos and errors in this response as I used a phone to type this out. Secondly, I think it’s briliant, though I would like to ask what your nation thinks of northerners (aka Dunfender) or are they also considered westerner? Asking because I want to know if we have established trade, it’s likely that our people have come in contact before.
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@Willy Vereb

I'm sorry to report in but your claims on territorial size claims is off. Your claiming yourself to be four-times larger than you really are, roughly. The benefit of tossing in longitudinal lines is that they give me a spring board to work off of. The math roughly coming down to:

If the distance between 67 degrees north and 10 degrees north is 3929 miles, then breaking it down to eight handy square chunks of 241,081 miles square. Making a square that size, I could run comparisons of each constituent area, scaling things, and otherwise eyeballing it. The conclusion is that if we really need to open Pandorra's box of autism then the final result is roughly 441,981 miles square or 711,299.47 kilometers square. Recognizing of course landmasses that aren't totally square can always be a mess to calculate, I highly doubt in the end your total land area is 2,162,492 square kilometers.
I think you probably messed up the calculation because Galhonore alone (the one down South) is circa 660,000 square kilometers with your new scaling (I assumed 10 to 67 degrees latitude would be around 7700km, now it's closer to 6500) and that constitutes less than half my territory. In general when comparing with the previous scale it's about 70% of my past calculations so it'd most likely get down to 1,4000,000 square kilometers or so.

EDIT: I redid my calc with a different methodology which might yield more accurate rough figures, I've got above 1,200,000 square kilometers.

Per total population density to run that loose comparison, you're only slightly less dense than 14th century England, which is odd given how far north you are, and the sort of land that is that far north. You would be well within an area comparable to the Taiga Belt (Comparable in weather and soil condition to the green). And soil in the taiga isn't really that richest thing in the world, which leads me to being cynical over the stated population density on the revised total area and makes me ask: no matter what is your history, how does an Empire even form from a region where people would be subsisting by the very tips of their fingers? You're probably not going to be feeding a large population to be used to subdue other distant peoples from the north-western squiggle island.

Changing the size also changes the population figures, obviously. I took medieval Scandinavia as a basis for the islands and something like a severely lowballed France for Galhonore. This is why Galhonore effectively doubled the empire's population.

Anyways, there are numerous elements that can influence the habitability of my home islands and the assessment that Yllendthyr only had that when conquering the far North continent is of course inaccurate. There's a reason why the Yelinor spread to all those tiny yet overall significant number of islands.
Also the sparsety of Yelinor compared to the population of other races is a plot point for the Empire and partially the reason for their militarism.

Then there is to also add: I said sometime back that I want people signing up after the old interest check was left to drown to come in as smaller states. Something as spread out may not work.
You have ridiculous amount of empty lands. I don't quite see the idea in limiting other players to smaller holdings when you still have a lot of spaces to fill. That being said this is within your authority to do so I'll respect that.

Thankfully I am actually not a very large nation so I meet your criteria. If I have to guess those like Azuriabel are somewhere the in size range of China.

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@Willy Vereb

I'm going to be upfront and honest. You're not doing yourself a whole lot of favors man.
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Let's not argue now.
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You're right. I better just abandon this game.
If a GM can't deal with people and resorts to threats then it tells me I wouldn't have a healthy roleplaying experience, anyways.
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I am taking Aaron's side in this, but I don't think I can participate in this NRP any longer.
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