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If it has any resemblance to D&D it would be more in the matter of subtyping than the schools. It's much rarer for someone to focus on spells just to protect themselves (e.g. an Abjuration specialist) over learning everything they can about the manipulation of rocks. Since a component of spellcasting is understanding what you're trying to do, it's much easier to e.g. learn a bunch of fire spells and transfer that into learning more about fire etc. etc. But since that's not the entirety of it you can also go the hermetic route and just learn a lot of spells in detail--though unless you're a master of manipulating mana itself you'd be one of those types either using lots of weak spells or constantly going through the full chant. Corinne is a fun example, because she's technically the first type (specialised on fire and lightning) but hasn't got the wealth of experience with it to cut down the spellcasting to quick times yet (working like the latter).

Though there are some processes so enormously complicated that once you start pulling in prepared ingredients and enchantments to actually do something more complicated than your average transient effect (e.g. becoming a lich) then you're right into full ritual preparation.

And someone with a ridiculous amount of mana and enough willpower can more or less learn magic by making it happen. But that's an edge case and anyone that wanted to keep that up for any length of time would need some way to regenerate mana very quickly on top of raw reserves, so that's more a thing that tends to be well... monsters and the like.
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this sounds pretty much like how i imagined it from the writeup, awesome
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Because I'm an idiot apparently, I've decided rather than rework my magic and whatnot I would just make an entirely new character. You know, logical choice and all. I was thinking of going a Mayonite paladin fresh out of training as a rank 6? I was going off some info you put in on page 6, but idk if you actually wanted any paladins from the orders so was just checking if I could?
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A slightly more rigid definition: "A spell is a mnemonic device to link the patterns and alterations of mana and a caster's understanding of the end result."

A comparison could be drawn towards performing arithmetic--with practice and experience some questions become rote, others are trivially broken down, and some still need actual methodology. Albeit magic is even less of a science than that due to the human element giving everyone a different mind and mana not being identical between people. Unique incantations can help with this, which is definitely a thing for experienced mages wanting to use full power for less cost.

Inefficient casting is basically not fitting exactly right so you use more mana to bridge the power gap (or the result you're aiming for is so stupid). Catalysts, depending on preparation, can help by "filling in" part of the pattern, or just concentrating what they've got--so you can skip components or use less and get the same result.

As for a comparison with alchemy or enchanting: if all the power is derived from materials, the world, and procedure, then you're unlikely to need to vary things as much on a case-by-case basis (besides differences in what you're working with). If it's the sort of ritual which uses casters or directly changes human targets then it encounters the same variability as full spellcasting.

Divine blessings are pretty much in the same boat IIRC because the gods are doing the complicated part there and the results are typically unreplicable or a pain to emulate.
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@Lunarlord34: This kind of thing does play into what paladins are meant to do, so I'm fine with that.
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@Raineh Daze And what about silent incantations? Are they possible?
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Thanks, just thought I would double-check on the matter first before delving into the new sheet.
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You're probably more likely to get distracted running through the chant in your head so it would lose some of its potency? Still, for any practical spell you're going to need at least one word; trying to entirely mentally disambiguate it is a bad idea. If you were mute or absolutely needed silence you could learn to associate spells with gestures instead but... most of the time, you could just whisper.
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@Lunarlord34: Actually, make that a paladin still in training: Paladins are comparable to rank 7 Adventurers, but we can make it so joining the guild to do paladin-friendly jobs and get experience is the final step.
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Fair enough, I'll slightly alter to a paladin in training then. Goes rather well with the whole newbie paladin thing I was going with anyway.
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@Raineh Daze Yes but let's say, you want to ambush someone. And let's say that someone has activated a hearing charm or something that increases their audio-catching capabilities. Even if you whisper/mutter the incantation they would still detect you and there goes your chance on an ambush. It makes sense for mages hence to have some interest in researching silent incantations.
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Since in general mages are not institutionally interested in being assassins or conducting extreme ambush scenarios with super-paranoid magically enhanced guards, it's not going to be a thing that occurs on more than a case-by-case basis. :p

Besides, if the guards have magical hearing that can catch a whispered incantation they probably heard you for a dozen other reasons so moot point.
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@Vec: You can cast silently with a lot of training, but even then it'll be weaker then narrowing it to a single word. It's not common.
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Alright.
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I got a question. When Are we starting this?



I cant wait anymore
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How is this looking so far then? More than happy to change anything if you feel it doesn't suit, and I haven't added equipment yet as I was going to ask what the Paladin's would be equipped with. (I mean other than a weapon, some armour and a shield of course, but more if it was anything special)

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I advise you to adjust your font colour/typeface for one. Also... spelling Reon and Mayon correctly is a kind of important detail. Hmm... backstory-wise, it's worth noting that in becoming a paladin you are still becoming a member of the clergy, although different from your average priest or priestess, so it's more a change of specialisation than something totally different. And there is really no need to know how to use so many types of weapons.

Anno's the one who'd know if there's any particularly holy magic beyond their habit of giving out blessed equipment.
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omfg I spelled them wrong.


I'll look to make the slight changes then, but one question. This may sound stupid, but uh who is Anno?
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@Heartfillia: This coming week.

@Lunarlord34: Holy magic is usually stuff like... exorcisms, solar fire for Reon(you can only use solar fire magic if you're one of Reon's clergy) moon-pulled tides for Mayon(water magic exclusive to Mayonite clergy)... healing magic isn't exclusive but it's very common for the clergy, and they have some specific divine spells for countering curses and cleansing poison and stuff.
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@Lunarlord34 Anno is that person above me. It's an old handle.
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