[OOC] Blades of Iron Roses: A fantasy Knight RP

[Fyre Unholy]

@VitaVitaAR- I did intend for the character to technically be a Knight, but he's still a surgeon yes. (The non-magic healing is the focus of the character in terms of his role in the order, but he'd technically be a knight, if that makes sense). If you want I can flesh out how he became a knight a little more, by adding an entire paragraph on the subject later.

Also thanks to @pugbutter for helping me edit the application, as the BBCodes (and my grammar errors, I was tired when I made the char) would have driven me absolutely insane.

[Mercenary5]

Hey just curious, did we take any vows in order to become knights? I'm sorta wondering if my character has sworn off his inheritance to be here.

Edit: Pugbutters next post in the ic thread has dialogue from Rhysdar. I fully sanction this, as we worked on it together.

[pugbutter]

Edit: Pugbutters next post in the ic thread has dialogue from Rhysdar. I fully sanction this, as we worked on it together.

@Mercenary5

That we did.

In the future any posts written by @Mercenary5 (edit: or @Fyre Unholy) which inflict autohit/godmod upon my character have my explicit written consent, unless argued otherwise by myself.

[Raineh Daze]

"Yare, yare. It's always business with you." Gütta turned back to the bullseye, poising himself to throw his feet spread, his shoulder twisted back and his hand, clutching an iron point, slung over it. "Frankly, m'lord, I think trouble follows the Order, not the other way around."

What the fuck is random Japanese doing in here? <_<

[pugbutter]

Why is yare yare forbidden but thud overlooked? Both are onomatopoeias.

[Raineh Daze]

Because one is English and the other is explicitly Japanese? Come on, that's not even a difficult question to answer. Hell, it's not even true onomatopoeia: Japanese has a LOT of words for sounds that aren't actually sounds. Onomatopoeia for smiling is damn weird.

"Typical woman, really: too weak to fight her own battles, so she surrounds herself with boot-lickers." Gütta spoke with a sneer nestled into the wrinkles of his nose, bleeding down into the corners of his mouth. "Beyond that, we haven't met much."

... did you... totally misunderstand the setting? Blatant sexism like that... doesn't fit. Particularly in this order of all places. Plus... half the cast. I mean one second there's Japanese not-onomatopoeia and the next, uh... "let's assume Victorian gender roles".

[PKMNB0Y]

Yare yare is not onomatopoeia. As seen here.

You could also opt to ask someone who speaks Japanese.
Like me.
It's not.

[pugbutter]

Because one is English and the other is explicitly Japanese?

@Raineh Daze

Does this matter in a setting where the elves are Old Norse (the dwarves, too), the hobbits halflings Nem are Tolkienic, the "Naga" is based in Greek mythology but perfected in its modern form by a guy born in the Sixties,.......and so on?

As of four days ago we have a sanctioned Japanese-flair character, too.

I don't think it's that damned egregious.

Yare yare is not onomatopoeia. As seen here.

You could also opt to ask someone who speaks Japanese.
Like me.
It's not.

@PKMNB0Y

Thanks for the correction!

[Raineh Daze]

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Does this matter in a setting where the elves are Old Norse (the dwarves, too), the hobbits halflings Nem are Tolkienic, the "Naga" is based in Greek mythology but perfected in its modern form by a guy born in the Sixties,.......and so on?

As of four days ago we have a sanctioned Japanese-flair character, too.

I don't think it's that damned egregious.

@pugbutter

At what point does "influence from multiple languages and cultures" mean that gratuitous foreign language is acceptable? Yeah, there's a character from fantasy-Japan, who should therefore be the only person using obviously modern Japanese. The roleplay is English. The language the characters are speaking is transcribed as English (I think it's probably something from the low countries). There is absolutely no reason that a character should be using Japanese. O_o

It's basically having a roleplay set in Rome and then a character casually spouts a Chinese proverb untranslated. Nonsensical.

[pugbutter]

It's staying. Please bring this to PMs if you wish to continue, because I will argue in the public OOC chat no further.

[VitaVitaAR]

... Okay, going to make this clear. ^^;

The character is wrong about more then a few things, and if it comes up in conversation with other characters it'll be pointed out.

Thieves would definitely be punished for one thing. The Iron Roses are a legendary knight order and all, I would think they wouldn't tolerate thieving. ^^;

And to get this straight, I have no problem with people doubting Fanilly. I explicitly mention people doubting Fanilly. She even doubts herself.

But, um... the fact is that every single captain of the Iron Roses for two hundred years has been female. That's the entire existence of the Iron Rose Knights. Doubting her because she's female doesn't make sense with the setting lore.

I mean, sure, doubt her for her youth, her not-exactly-intimidating looks. There's plenty of reasons people are doubting her. Her being a girl isn't one of them though.

I really don't want to seem like I'm saying I don't want people having negative views or anything. So please don't think that. My issue is mainly with how it clashes with details of the setting itself.

... Oh, and the "Yare yare" is a little bit gratuitous since, while this is heavily anime-inspired, most of the characters aren't from the Japan analogue.

Anyway on another note if no-one is really interesting in talking to Fanilly right now after she showed up I can timeskip but I'll give more time for people to post.

[pugbutter]

Yet you misconstrue his sexist traits entirely.

It's not that she's a girl inherently; it's that she seems to be using femininity (ie. small, young and cute) to fill in the gaps where she is lacking in leadership qualities. I of course mean totally genderless leadership qualities like charisma, articulation both in writing and in speech, economy of resources, keeping a cool head in stressful situations, and so on, some of which she indisputably lacks. These traits profit leaders of any sex, build, or philosophy. If she possessed all of these in abundance—though even according to your own lore and IC posts, some of her lacks are totally incontrovertible—then she could be a haggard old pus-bleeding Orc for all Gutta cares, and he would respect her rather than "just obeying" her with a grudge attached.

As for "gratuitous" use of a Japanese phrase, I've scanned a few posts in the IC tab and through even rudimentary knowledge of linguistics, I located loan-words from Old Norse ("garth"), French ("acquiesce"), Ancient Greek ("chaos"), several dialects of ancient Latin, and a smattering of Italian. None of these have received the same semantic bombardment as "yare, yare."

Why is Japanese where the line is drawn between overlooked and "gratuitous"?

[pugbutter]

For that matter, I'm curious where the line is drawn for "gratuitous" French. As you're no doubt aware, a particular character sprinkles the second language throughout her IC speech. (And Godspeed to her, I say.)

So what about the word rendezvous? Reservoir? I suppose those are loan-words and therefore acceptable. What about popular phrases like à la carte? Tangible items like an armoire and an aperitif?

[ghastlyInc]

ok. I'm going to pop in here because I had asked about this before:
A neighboring country is specifically french themed.
Secondly, there is a big difference between a person knowing a language from a neighboring country vs knowing colloquialisms from half a world away.
I think you and me, as English speakers, would be a bit surprised if I suddenly busted out my rich repository of Swahili slang terms. I mean seriously brother, do we have to bust out the bomba bomboms before things get rasmi here? Cause I just want things hamna noma man.

[pugbutter]

ok. I'm going to pop in here because I had asked about this before:
A neighboring country is specifically french themed.
Secondly, there is a big difference between a person knowing a language from a neighboring country vs knowing colloquialisms from half a world away.
I think you and me, as English speakers, would be a bit surprised if I suddenly busted out my rich repository of Swahili slang terms. I mean seriously brother, do we have to bust out the bomba bomboms before things get rasmi here? Cause I just want things hamna noma man.

@ghastlyInc

Does it make sense for the character, in terms both of themes and motifs? Is your character a Fantasy stand-in for a Subsaharan African, wearing a grass skirt and a bone in his nose, whose use of Swahili would not disrupt the tone and atmosphere of his character?

If so, then if I even notice your use of Swahili then I will find it apt.

This roleplay has an [Anime/Manga] tab, and several anime stock characters. I therefore decided I was content with using an anime cliché that is two-words long and otherwise a totally disposable mannerism. (And which is lost in translation, so it would have been even more awkward if I tried to find an English equivalent. What was he supposed to do; say the word "siiiigh" out loud? I'm taking suggestions here.)

[Fyre Unholy]

A neighboring country is specifically french themed.

@ghastlyInc

The Japanese-themed country is named Akitsushima. I don't see the problem with having picked up a word or two from the Eastern Empire's travelers.

[VitaVitaAR]

Akitsushima is not a neighboring country.

In any case, I think there has been some IC misreading of what's been occurring in the RP. I'm not sure if it extends to OOC either, but at the same time I don't think this is good for the RP nor anyone involved in the conversation.

While I still maintain that it's a poor interpretation of events, if it's IC, fine. And again, negative opinions of Fanilly are fine. It's not like I don't invite it with the set-up of the RP and her bio. I just think in this case it's not exactly the best interpretation of what's occurring.

However, I'd rather not fill the OOC with this.

So, moving on, like I said before, I plan on moving the RP ahead relatively soon, though there's some people I'd like to see post first before I do.

[Fyre Unholy]

So, moving on, like I said before, I plan on moving the RP ahead relatively soon, though there's some people I'd like to see post first before I do.

@VitaVitaAR

If you mean me, I plan to introduce my character in the library in Candaeln, where Pugbutter and Mercenary's characters are heading.

[Raineh Daze]

... why there?

[cloudystar]

@Raineh Daze
why not? XD