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@MMGiru Just wanna let you know that I have seen your sheet and I do plan to review it once my migraine goes away.

@MMGiru Your description of him as muscly doesn't add up to the weight and height. Add a few kg->muscle mass=kg. Also if you would like, add another 1 or 2 chakra natures. It doesn't affect you in anyway but it gives you more of a variety to choose from.


Actually, he doesn't describe him as "muscly", but as "with more muscle than academics" which just means that he actually does have some muscle, since he does something with his body rather than sit around and read all day ... I think..?
As for the advice of adding several chakra natures... You do realize that we're aiming for very lowly skilled ninja here, right? Because using several types of chakra is definately not lowly skilled. Mastering two chakra natures is at least chuunin level and three is at least Jounin. Mastering, or even using, chakra types of a different nature than the one that comes, well, naturally to someone is not something that is easily done, after all.
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@The Mad Hatter I didn't say "master" but *add* as in he can have more chakra natures even if he can only wield one. And I didn't ask, would our characters progress in skill as they adventure, like reaching Jounin level for example? And...hmmmm, do you plan on making us encounter the almighty M.?
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@The Mad Hatter I didn't say "master" but *add* as in he can have more chakra natures even if he can only wield one.


Ah, well. That is certainly a possibility, but I would advice against it.
I believe it is at one point stated that learning to use evne the element that a person has an affinity towards takes years of training - unless you've got five billion Kage Bunshin or are a genius (as is the case(s) with "our" main characters in the manga/anime).
If you (the plural word) want to add some future techniques or something of the like, make sure it is very obviously clear in the CS, so that Halvtand and I can properly judge your character(s) as they are at the beginning - and you are free to make all the changes you want to your future techniques.

And I didn't ask, would our characters progress in skill as they adventure, like reaching Jounin level for example? And...hmmmm, do you plan on making us encounter the almighty M.?


Yes, of course you/we get to grow better and stronger over the course of our travels. It mostly depends on what you guys do and want how far you/we develop our skills and to what level. To really become strong, you would, after all, need to train as well as adventure and the experiences we gain will make us smarter and therefore one step closer to stronger.
We do have some plans for who we will encounter, but it all depends on the choices made. I cannot say for sure that we will, but I cannot say for sure that we won't.
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@MMGiru I've had a look at your character WIP.


@The Mad Hatter I didn't say "master" but *add* as in he can have more chakra natures even if he can only wield one. And I didn't ask, would our characters progress in skill as they adventure, like reaching Jounin level for example? And...hmmmm, do you plan on making us encounter the almighty M.?


Here's my take on the chakra natures.
To start out with I agree with the hatter on this one, adding a second element would be unwise at this point.
Starting out with two elements too early in the characters progress would only dilute the effectiveness of both I fear. Or as Ron Swanson would say "Never half-ass two things, whole-ass one thing."
Why do people discover their elements?
I see two possibilities. The first one is discovered by accident or by automation (You're an Uchiha = your element is fire).
The second one would be by searching for it, doing some kind of test to figure it out. Learning a new technique or inserting nature chakra in an old technique takes time. Remember the kind of work it took to create wind rasengan?
So if you have one element to work with already, and are learning/developing techniques for that element (which takes time and effort) you really have no interest in adding to your burden by figuring out your secondary element.

When do you want to figure out your next element?
Basically, when you're stuck.
When you've reached a level where you just can't go any further with your current tools (elements, jutsus, training techniques etc) and needs to find new tools to work with to change your perspective, create a more varied arsenal... When you really gain something.
Naruto didn't work on his wind element because he thought it would be cool to have a new technique. He was pretty much told that in order for him to move on and grow stronger he had to learn nature manipulation. He was stuck in his development and nature would get him unstuck.

As I cannot see such a stuckness in this character I would advice to keep the second element for in-game development.
This is based on my own work/training with martial arts. You don't learn new things until you've learned the old things. If you've learned the old things, learn new things. Can't learn the things? Change your perspective and try again.

About the progression in the game:
Yes, the plan is that we're going to gain skills, knowledge, power, coolness, money, bubblegum and bitches (perhaps not in that order).
However we cannot say for certain exactly what we/you will face as it is VERY dependant on what we as players want to do and how our characters reacts to it. At the start of the game we will be severely under-powered and almost all ninjas we face will have some form of structural advantage over us (fighting in/as a team, being connected to a village, having real training and a metric ton of practice behind them etc) and so the best thing is to stick together. As we grow stronger and understand the world better we might split up to go after personal goals. We can't really decide. The game is as much about exploration as personal growth.
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I want to post my character as a WIP to let you guys know what's going on. I will rework the genjutsus a bit as I'm not quite satisfied with how they turned out. I'm after techniques that uses the victims mind against themselves if someone has any suggestions.


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@Halvtand That is a very helpful critique. Stress in the real world, but until I work on the sheet:



I'll probably add some small amount of weight, but he doesn't need another chakra nature. I imagine he only has a basic grasp of fire anyway.
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- Regarding Kumo origins, I realize you're correct. It was sort of like an artifact from an earlier version of his history, that I tried to fit into the new idea. It could potentially add some intrigue when I don't have anything going on with him, but really, a mercantile family does that anyway, plus the interest in his dad.

Instead, I like your idea for a Gobi family who traded with Kumo before those relations died out. I'll keep the Shikawa name and darker skin.


That sounds like a great idea. They might technically be the same family that have branched off at some point, half lives in Kumo and half in Gobi.

Konan's jutsus.
Morphing or folding paper... Whatever the technical term may be I saw your technique as kind of a first step in that direction. I don't know if that was your intention or not, but that's where my mind went.

I look forward to seeing what you come up with for the other stuff.
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@Bishop We're really curious about how your dude will look once he's finished, have you thought about the questions we proposed earlier?
I'm asking because we have some more material to work with now, and I wouldn't want to leave you behind.
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@Bishop@MMGiru@FantasyChic@The Mad Hatter

Today it's Monday, and you know what that means!

No, you probably don't...

Today I post a video of something from the series and we can have a chat about it. Something to do while we fill in our character sheets, and we'll get to know each other a bit better as well. Here we go: Sasuke vs Gaara
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@Halvtand Stop posting kid's stuff. This is something worth talking about.
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@Bishop You can't just jump right to the stuff, you need to work your way up to it :P
Also, I wanted to start early in the series to avoid spoiler, everyone might not have finished the series because of the flood of filler.
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@HalvtandSeriously, I stopped watching Naruto some months ago. I was one of those guys:"Stop whining about the fillers, more fillers=more naruto". But, the fillers were complete shit with useless information. +You had many other great anime to watch beside this filleruto.
Infinite filleryomi.
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@BishopI though like that about the first filler season (the one that ended Naruto, before Shippuuden). Some of those fillers were really good, some were bad... I stopped watching the series some time into shippuuden when they started to get too friendly with the filler again and picked up the manga instead. For all it is and isn't, there is very little filler.
Anyway, now that the show is finished (is the anime finished as well?) I have heard that in the end they started spreading the flashback-fillers on really thick, someone claimed that it was kind of like watching the whole series a second time. That's why I thought it best to keep the spoilers to a minimum.
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I have, in agreement with Halvtand, decided to scrap my Haruka character in favor of something fresh. So... Just ignore the character I posted in the Character tab
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@Halvtand I think the only really impressive parts of the fight happened before it. Sasuke and Gaara were so used to being prodigies that they didn't really think at all. Kakashi training Sasuke to utilize Lee's taijutsu and to use Chidori were the cool parts.

It's not done, but with recent adjustments I'm basically comfortable enough with my sheet now to put it on the Characters tab. Also, I feel like at one point there was a 'favorite place' portion of the sheet, but I can't seem to find it now.

@The Mad Hatter Ah, damn: she was adorable. Well, I'm curious about the new one now.
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Also, I feel like at one point there was a 'favorite place' portion of the sheet, but I can't seem to find it now.


There never was. It's just a tab in the OP, under Places of Notice (I know because I wrote it). Feel free to write something for it, though, and Halvtand will add it to the OP.

@The Mad Hatter Ah, damn: she was adorable. Well, I'm curious about the new one now.


I know. I love her to bits, but I've been playing her for 10+ years, so sometimes I need something fresh. I may just keep her as an NPC type character, though.

The new one's gonna be a traditional style ninja who comes from a family that doesn't believe in the use of chakra. It sounds crappy, but I can do it.
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I know the Background is awful, but my writing is pure shit today. I'll probably redo it is I get the energy to do so.

What do you think?

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@Halvtand I think the only really impressive parts of the fight happened before it. Sasuke and Gaara were so used to being prodigies that they didn't really think at all. Kakashi training Sasuke to utilize Lee's taijutsu and to use Chidori were the cool parts.


While I do agree with you on this point one must also consider that the training was simply a "build up" to this fight, which is why we se the training as a flashback. If we had seen the training before this fight I don't think it would've been nearly as spectacular.
There are some interesting parts to this fight though. Like the almost stupid use of chidori from Sasuke. As well as how easy Gaara was pushed over the edge.
Don't get me wrong, early, chaotic Gaara is one hell of a villain and he had potential to rival Zabuza as "coolest villain in the series", but in this fight it seems like he simply keels over as soon as Sasuke starts to push him.
Also, Sasuke had gotten a taste of how it's like being the "bottom bitch" already from Lee, Kakashi and even Naruto in the forest of death. Instead of fighting to keep his superiority I'd say that he's fighting to regain it, and his thoughtlessness is mirrored in the fact that he's willing go give anything to be cool again.

I'll read all the updated characters later today and give feedback, as well as update my own. If you have more stuff to add, do it now!
Also, just because me and hat are near godlike GMs with byakusharingan unlocked doesn't mean that our characters are above critique. We enjoy discussing our character concepts and would like to know what you guys think about them.
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Nickname/Alias: Occasionally called ‘Masa’, primarily as a joke about how pretentious it is

Care to explain the joke to someone who doesn't speak Japanese?

Other than that I must say that you've done a great job. I think the character as a whole fits well with the setting, the background and equipment is fine and the techniques are all well though out.
As I stated in my earlier feedback I would rather see the ignition technique as a D-rank, but if you want to list it as C I won't argue.
As far as I'm concerned the character is approved, but the hat must have a say as well.

@The Mad Hatter As you've stated yourself, your writing is horrible so there is no need for me to point out any details of this. After reading through the character there was really only one thing that stood out. It is the split within the clan. While a young/old split is easy to explain and understand I feel that this kind of split perhaps should be dealt with with a little more care. We are talking about changing the core rules of how these people live. To say that all the old guys wanted thing to stay the same and only a few youngsters wanted stuff to change… Too simple. Perhaps you could go into greater detail about what happened right before the split? Was someone in the clan caught practising chakra manipulation? Did someone suddenly say “I don't get what's so bad about it” at dinner and everyone suddenly turned silent and serious?

Luckily we have historical events in our world where similar splits have been made, and let's just say that they didn't come from nothing, and they didn't end in nothing. As I know you are well versed in history I suggest you consider Catholicism/protestantism as well as protestantism/puritanism. Yes it's an exaggerated example, but in a way the change protestantism wanted was smaller than the one your clan/renegade faction of the clan wanted.

@Bishop I can't see any big changes done to your character sheet so I guess the earlier feedback still stands.
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<Snipped quote by MMGiru>
Care to explain the joke to someone who doesn't speak Japanese?


I can give it a try for you, since I do speak Japanese.
Masa - 正 - means something along the lines of "precise" or "exactly".

@The Mad Hatter As you've stated yourself, your writing is horrible so there is no need for me to point out any details of this. After reading through the character there was really only one thing that stood out. It is the split within the clan. While a young/old split is easy to explain and understand I feel that this kind of split perhaps should be dealt with with a little more care. We are talking about changing the core rules of how these people live. To say that all the old guys wanted thing to stay the same and only a few youngsters wanted stuff to change… Too simple. Perhaps you could go into greater detail about what happened right before the split? Was someone in the clan caught practicing chakra manipulation? Did someone suddenly say “I don't get what's so bad about it” at dinner and everyone suddenly turned silent and serious?

Luckily we have historical events in our world where similar splits have been made, and let's just say that they didn't come from nothing, and they didn't end in nothing. As I know you are well versed in history I suggest you consider Catholicism/Protestantism as well as Protestantism/puritanism. Yes it's an exaggerated example, but in a way the change Protestantism wanted was smaller than the one your clan/renegade faction of the clan wanted.


Yeah. I know. I will redo and buff up the background once I get the time to do so. I should be able to get three hours a day to myself (showering and/or pooping included) starting the day after tomorrow and to and including Monday.
I wanted to write something more about the break-off, but the things I actually did mange to write were worse than just leaving it blank. Trust me. It was awful. I puked a little when I read through it. I do have plans, though, so worry not about the simplicity.

I just need time.
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