Bishop

D&D: An Adventure in the Making

@TheUnknowable SO basically she treats life as a joke. I can't see any insanity in that point of view.

Myriad Reality

@DarkwolfX37 So, can I ask, how is anarchy better in anyway besides having less undefinable abstract variables compared to any governments today?

Olympus: School Of Demigods!

@Prince of Seraphs How about...

"Chronos jerked it so hard that his sperm flew right through the cracks of the prison and disappeared from the current timeline. The sperm emerged years later and hit an unsuspecting soon to be mother"

Myriad Reality

@Meta Well that clarifies a lot.
So, can you mention this dark guy for me?

Konosuba: This Wonderful World's Alternative Paradigm

@Dead Cruiser

D&D: An Adventure in the Making

She's devoted to getting as many followers for her "god" as possible, no matter what she has to do
devoted to getting as many followers as possible, no matter what she has to do
devoted, no matter what she has to do
no matter what she has to do
what she has to do
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Olympus: School Of Demigods!

You know, gods and titans and all that don't have to actually have sex with a human to make them pregnant. Chronos could as well have shot an energy, part of himself through the prison of hell, through some opening and that energy wandered the world for the perfect vessel. Once it found the mother, it made her pregnant and BAM you have the child of Chronos.
"The war between the Gods was causing anomalies all around the world. The barrier which divided hell from earth was breaking, cracks had begun to show. And from those cracks, Father Time took the opportunity to expel some of his energy which contained himself in it, to the realm of earthlings."

"Before the Titan of Time, Chronos was imprisoned by his son Zeus, he expelled a part of himself in the form of energy. This energy disappeared as it vanished from the current timeline. It traveled through countless ages and timelines until it found the right moment to emerge and find a vessel. The vessel would give birth to a child of Chronos. As foreseen and planned by Chronos when he was imprisoned, this child would then later help him escape from the prison. This was assured as he imprinted a part of himself in that child and with that his own will."

There are countless version from which you can pick to pull this off. Be creative!

Myriad Reality

@Meta Well, seems I'm not checking the wordings correctly which leads to me having some questions and misunderstandings. Well let's leave that behind and argue on how anarchy could be better on the logical sense, as you described.

I'm convinced that if the governing systems would suddenly collapse, after the chaos had settled and communities had been formed, it wouldn't be any different from how it is now. There would still be a ruler at the head of the hierarchy who didn't go there because everyone thought he was a just and nice guy. He got to the top through exercising power and building influence, similar to how it is in today's government. He probably wouldn't give a crap about the people as long as he was in charge. In democracy they at least have to pretend, here he could just be a tyrant. So basically, he could become an oppressor and gather "votes" based on fear tactics. Wouldn't organizations with military training have the upper hand? They could easily force the general public to kneel before them. And the leaders would still fight among each other for different things.

It is given that there would be many other communities who valued freedom and the right for everyone to choose what they wanted and who they wanted for their leader if there was to be any. They could as well use a referendum to decide everything of importance. But I ask you this, knowing human nature, how many of those communities do you think would exist in compared to the ones with a tyrant as it's head?

And I'm only talking about communities and not isolated people because you would need to be part of a larger community in order to raise your chances of survival. And that is the logical way isn't it? Follow the way which raises your chances of survival? Isn't that what everything in this world thrives and lives for? To survive and leave a legacy?

In fact, the idea that animals can't operate on logic advances this argument because it shows that it is standalone, independent of thought (as is required of logic). You're conflating the idea of human desire and logic itself, which exists independent of humans. Logic operates on its own and isn't impacted by anything any of us think.

While logic itself is independent of thoughts etc etc, it is a tool used by us to achieve what we want. The animals have come to behave that way as a consequence of years upon years of evolution as they learned how to best adapt with the environment around them. But how much is that really worth? We, humans, have exterminated hundreds upon hundreds of species. How far did their purely logical way of living get them when compared to us, humans who are facing overpopulation? Haven't we done better on the aspect of survival and procreation?
As you said, on a purely logical level, anarchy like in the animal kingdom is naturalistically superior because the abstract values and terms that come with a governing system are removed, making everyone free. But isn't freedom another "abstract term"? Isn't the logical way of every living organism to survive, procreate and assure the survival of it's legacy on this earth? How would anarchy be logically better than the system that we currently have if it lacks on that front? Or do you want to argue that humans would have a higher rate of survival in anarchy and as so the population would grow even more than it has today?

GAME: Crush A Wish

@CollectorOfMyst Granted, now you can make another wish! (It's just a pointless loop, you get only one wish regardless)

I wish that after doing it with God, which took the form of a little child and hence I was sent to hell, after I met the Devil, she was a pretty sexy young female not below 18 and I laid with her.

Myriad Reality

@Meta That where I wanna point out that you're wrong. You explicitly state that morality and abstract feelings "has no impact on the logical progression of anything because they are isolated, irrelevant, and have no bearing on the course the world around us takes."

But the world revolves around those abstract feelings and ideas. One CEO has the brilliant idea to harvest a whole forest in order to fulfill his selfish desire for greater material profit. All these actions are fueled by abstracts feelings and wanting. You can;t say that they have no effect whatsoever on the world around us.

Perhaps, but do we know that people won't self-govern well enough? Whether they will or not, the idea of anarchy isn't that it's superior because it leads to more happiness (not enough data to conclusively say), but rather that it is the most logical state to be in. Logic doesn't take human thoughts or feelings into account. So in the end, I'm not saying that a naturalistic point of view means that you should end up believing you'd be happier in anarchy, satisfied, or in any way better off. Instead, I'm saying that logically speaking, anarchy is the path to go down when taking pure facts and concrete truths into consideration

I'm sorry but isn't it more logical to live a long and safe life than to die abruptly? Order is logical, anarchy and chaos are illogical.

it's part of why the animal kingdom is in anarchy—it doesn't exactly have a system of feelings and ideas of what "ought" to be.

... don't know how to tackle this.
So firstly, animals also have no logic. They function purely on instinct. So you comparing the animal kingdom and how the animals are ruled by anarchy, to humans, basically means that only human animals want anarchy. Anarchy is survival of the fittest, it isn't based on logic at all, it is based purely on raw strength and the individual power to survive without anyone but yourself protecting you. Which logical being would want that?