Doc Doctor

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@Alexei

I've provided accurate, measurable comparisons, and yes, many martial artists can break cinderblock.

In no way am I lying, just because you say I'm lying. I provided proof, screenies, quotes, and videos to back up my argument. You just ignore that and declare me wrong with no backboard to support those bullets. I'm not shenanigans, you're just full of sh*t. I demonstrated what boxers are capable of with something called evidence. We like to use evidence around here, and not straw man arguments. You're purposefully vague on your points because you know I was factually more specific about physical abilities than my opponent, and you can think of no other way out of this hole you dug for yourself. Go to Google. Look up the question... "How hard can a boxer punch?", or, "How fast can a boxer move?", or "How fast can a boxer react?"
Now line up that result with someone from Kull's weight class. That wasn't so hard, was it?

Mmhmm. There are definable limits there. It's quantifiable. Now go look up, "How fast do you have to be to be quick?"

Yeah, no. Not gonna happen.

Just don't get blindly involved in fights that don't concern you out of your own personal bias and you'll do fine here.

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@Tristwich
If the rainy setting makes any sort of vital impact on Kull's performance, it'll affect Selandra too. That being said, I wouldn't screw with Mike Tyson in a boxing ring, OR during a rainstorm. For posterity, I want to make it clear one last time that Kull stepping forwards and his adjusting of his grip on his axe is simultaneous, not a step and then a grip swap. He changed his grip as quickly as he took a step forward, and the step intentionally coincided with the trident thrust. The time frame between her thrusting her trident and reaching Kull for a bear hug is when the axe is being swung.

You can apply your summed up counter argument once more for comparison beside my above little statement. Are you fine with @Ridaku judging? Would you like any references?

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@Alexei

You're repeating yourself. If I was the one being vague, then why am I supplying more information? You aren't making any sense. It's called 'Realistic Melee' for a reason. We use facts, references, and stats to define what a character can and cannot do. We don't leave it up to discretion, that's just asking for no limits fallacies.

There's nothing competitive about leaving physical stats in a RM fight at the door. Here's the thing. You arrived here three days ago with the competitor, you're very clearly her friend, and you're stating that "There's no such thing as bias" to try and convince me that you should judge this fight. Everything you say is a contradiction, I can scarcely fathom it.

Even if you had a listed time, it would be a negligible thing. In T1 all characters are the same in physical capability.

@Alexei

Abilities must have clear definition if this is the case.

@Alexei

Okay. Now, taking that into account, look at your friend's CS.

@Doc Doctor
Name: Selandra Windfall

Nickname: Spelldrinker
Age: 227 (appears 28)

Race: Elf

Ethnicity: Genisarian

Occupation: Gladiator/Mercenary

Sexuality: Bi

Marital Status: single

Physical Appearance:

Height: 6'9

Weight: 168

Hair Color: White (starts to turn blue the more mana she absorbs)

Eye Color: Radiant Orbs of blue white energy

Build: Muscular but lean

Marks or Scars: Complex designed blue tattoos that one could mistake for circuit paths which snake along her whole body, with the lines ending at her palms, feet, corners of her eyes and her bottom lip which to direct the mana she absorbs, allowing it to be more efficient when she uses that absorbed energy to increase the strength of her individual limbs. She also has various scars along her face and body from years of gladiator combat.

Armor: Blue and grey plate armor that is technologically enhanced so that it is physically linked with her body, allowing the armor to take a portion of the mana Selandra absorbs and recycles it in the form of mana gems that appear inlaid into the armor. These gems are able to be consumed later if Selandra is unable to find a source of mana to consume. It is elegant armor, forged by elves allowing it to be tough but lightweight, allowing Selandra to be quick and agile in combat. She also still holds onto the collar used on her during her time as a slave. She wears it at night to help her sleep.

Weapons: One Trident, one weighted net enchanted to expand allowing it to ensare an opponent of any size, one zweihander, two daggers, hidden blades in her boots and gauntlets.

Skills:

Elven Senses

Expert agility

The ability to absorb the magical energies from spells and enchanted items, the energy being used to enhance the power of her limbs. Spells are dissolved and enchanted items are broken down into dust. If she consumes too much mana, her body runs the risk of exploding.

History: Born into slavery, Selandra never knew a life outside the arena walls. At a young age her addiction to mana was exploited by her masters, as she was forced to sneak into gladiator's rooms as a child and siphon the magic away from their equipment. As she grew older she too became a gladiator, but still she was a slave. At some point, she realized she wanted more and bought her freedom. Now she wanders, hoping to find that purpose.

Will she be acceptable if I remove all of the magical abilities?

@Tristwich

NO mentioned physical abilities, outside of simply stating that she's 'fast and agile'. How much bearing does that have in realistic terms when your character is 6'9" and 228 pounds? Not gonna go there. This is RM, but I won't try to dictate how she should write her own profile. That's why I didn't nag her to specify reach and lifting strength. Benefit of the doubt. It states her height, weight, and build, and that's it.
Now, look at my CS.

Captain Kull

Captain Arlgor Kull

Name: Arlgor Kull
Aliases: Cap'n Kull
Titles: Captain of the Crimson Guard
Age: 36
Gender: Male

Physical Attributes

Build: 5'7", 172 pounds, heavily muscled
Eyes: Dark Brown (close to black), overshadowed by sardonic eyebrows.
Hair: A black widow's peak, combed back
Skin Tone: Pale
Dominant Hand: Left
Tattoos/Scars/Piercings: Kull's eyes and mouth have distinct scarring from fistfights, permanent cauliflower ears, several white notches crisscross his chest and arms, presumably left by various bladed weapons. His right forearm is enircled by several deep tissue scars, from when he shoved his hand down a lion's esophagus.

Day To Day Attire: A full set of bronze armor (faceless helmet, pauldrons, breastplate, armguards, gauntlets, greaves, the works), a maroon cloak emblazoned with the insignia of a black bull, a sixteen pound double headed greataxe, a twenty-eight inch, pound-and-a-half gladius with chili powder in the scabbard worn on his right flank, a pair of gauche daggers at his waist, a pair strapped to his calves, and one on each flank. Six daggers in all. He's very fond of wearing crimson war paint, in tiger stripes across his face.



Abilities: Kull is a physical powerhouse, able to bench 500 and kick through cinderblock like styrofoam with his reinforced greaves. He once killed a lion with asphyxiation by ramming his fist down its throat. He has the reflexes of a professional boxer and the power to match, along with nearly three decades of experience as a manslayer.

Personality: Kull is an abrasive, overwhelming, and incredibly intense man who has no concept of what an indoor voice is and no off-button. He's of a wild, brave nature, meeting every challenge in the only way he knows how; by beating it down with his axe and/or screaming profanity at it. He's quite creative in his lunatic insults, but it's rarely personal. It serves as a psychological aid and weapon for Kull, enabling him to work himself into a war frenzy while intimidating his opposition. As a professional warrior and captain of the guard (he was a former mercenary as well), he lives solely to hone his skills in combat, and to help mold an environment free of scum. He's drastically impatient and highly critical, despising any course of action short of stalking right up to the bad guy and strangling him.

Despite his faults, though, Kull is truly a good man at heart. Sometimes good guys don't wear white and act nice, after all. He strives to make the lives of innocent people better, and is more than willing to sacrifice himself to a noble cause. His loyalty is undying, for all his lack of social skills. He knows how to have a good time, and can be surprisingly understanding at times. He tends to be greedy, not much for sharing food nor glory, but he's always more than willing to share (profanity laced) encouragement and advice. When it comes to animals, he seems to have a soft spot. Kull gets along well with most creatures, until he kills and eats them for protein. Hey, a man's gotta eat!

Habits: Kull tends to shudder, jerk or twitch with frenetic energy whenever he feels like he's about to get a chance to fight. He often tosses around loud, creative expletives, especially during combat.

Childhood: Kull went through the old Spartan glut, you know. Training as soon as he was of age, fighting wild animals bare-handed, killing men on a battlefield when he was a teen. Sure, there are some nice old stories of his feats and adventures, but he's not here to tell history. He's here to make it.

Adulthood: Served as a mercenary for several years, and then joined up with the Empire of the Crimson Throne. He helped them win a critical battle and was thus promoted to Captain. He'd conked a fuck-ton of baddies, got hitched with a woman as crazy as he was, you get the idea. He never had any silly dramatized moments, no whiny tears in the rain. He never even had any rivals, or a nemesis. Whenever an enemy jumped up, Kull simply knocked them back down. Needless to say, he's very good at his job.

Theme Song:

Much, MUCH more detail. If you were even remotely honest, it wouldn't be me you were criticizing for vagueness but your own friend. Of course I know her style is different, she comes from a different site. I'm accommodating that, not trying to inform her she's doing everything wrong. She's not doing things wrong, just differently. Now please let an official judge this thread. Even if they aren't perfect, I should think a bit more subtlety is in order if you're going to try and cheat. I doubt your friend enjoys how you're making them look.

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@Alexei

Also, do note that although your statements may hold bearing in a less competitive atmosphere, on this site and in ranked matches in particular, the profile is indeed God. If it isn't on the profile, you cannot use it. It also doesn't help that you arrived a few days ago at 'Tristwich's behest'. You have no history here and you're closely affiliated with the competitor. You're not qualified to give your opinion in this particular fight in light of those circumstances, only proven, unbiased judges are. I'm not saying you aren't trustworthy or knowledgeable in your areas of expertise, but this isn't a matter you should be involving yourself in.

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That's still not giving an actual reaction time. Just stating you can react quickly means little to nothing in T1. Even if you had a listed time, it would be a negligible thing. In T1 all characters are the same in physical capability.

If not, Eiji could literally tear through Kull. Given that his musculature is crafted from interwoven cabon nanotubes, called bucky paper. If we want to go through the fluff in a character sheet as if it means anything.

On the mention of reading body language, I find the concept laughable in the way I have seen it used. So far it might as well be highly predictive precognition. Kull has consistently dodged everything and in RM that is simply a deal breaker. Its unrealistic and to the point of metagaming.

@Alexei

No, they aren't. That's absolutely, incredibly wrong. Stats DO matter, that's why they exist in T1. Not all characters have the same physical ability either. That statement is immensely false. Just because I actually state the physical ability of one of my characters doesn't mean someone who has a vague profile can match every pound he can lift or every meter he can run. No, no, no.

No its actually worse than not stating it at all. It is incredibly vague, which alliws you to manipulate it as much as someone without it. Only difference is that you can point to your profile, and pretend it says anything of real value in regards to it. So no, in write fighting the profile is not God. It is only ever useful in regards to spells. Physical ability is pointless. Especially when your charactee can combine strength and speed with no trade off. Which isn't realistic.

You specifically stated a vague descriptor. Unless you want to lay out hard data its useless.

@Alexei

Nope. I was more precise in terms of stated stats than my opponent. I'm not insinuating anything negative by stating that, it's a simple fact. More information is just that, more information. It does not create more room to be vague, it minimizes it. I have no idea where you're drawing these far out conclusions from. Why are you here? Where are you from, that you think physical capacity has no bearing in RM? It's outrageous to even think that.

That's pretty fast. I have to call shenanigans. It might not be complicated but less than a second is also vague. How much less than a second? How fast is your opponent moving in relative to you? If these are not defined clearly by either side that is an exercise in uselessness. All the time yes, but irl there are certain factors at play not at all present in text based combat. Especially, as I stated, when such is ill defined.

@Alexei

Again, I defined my profile and actions with meticulous care. Note that you keep insisting on the value of "a few seconds", which matches "less than a second" in terms of your implied intentional vagueness. The difference isn't negligible, it's just so miniscule that I'm implying that Kull will be ready to hit his opponent before she closes the distance, as was stated ad nauseum multiple times, before she had even posted the action itself.

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@Alexei

A professional boxer must meet certain criteria to achieve a significant degree of success in the ring. That includes slipping and weaving through punches, being able to predict an opponent's attacks based off of their body language.
It's not scarcely as vague as having no aforementioned reflexes listed, and in fight writing, the profile is God. If it isn't on the profile, you don't give it to someone anyways. I also specifically stated Kull's physical stats and provided examples of his prowess.

A few seconds is a long time in a fight. And, I suppose I should mention it a third time, it takes Kull less than a second for the switch up. It's not as complicated as you make it out to be. Fighters change stance mid-blows all the time. Want videos of that as well? Been awhile since I dug up the Machida fights.

@Doc Doctor

I'll go ahead and supply some more reference material. It's honestly one of the simplest facets of combat, switching your stance. It's fundamental, pure basics. You'd be hard pressed to find a serious fighter who can't do that efficiently.



And some good old Machida, one of the most prolific fighters known for mixing up angles and stances in fractions of a second.



Ah, but I made direct comparisons to boxing, not MMA. Though, that was merely Kull's reflexes. His techniques are up to my personal discretion so long as he has the time and opportunity to perform them, which he did, given how he predicted what his opponent would do. Kull estimated Sel would do /before/ she did it, and in her following post, she did indeed meet his expectations.

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@Alexei

A professional boxer must meet certain criteria to achieve a significant degree of success in the ring. That includes slipping and weaving through punches, being able to predict an opponent's attacks based off of their body language.
It's not scarcely as vague as having no aforementioned reflexes listed, and in fight writing, the profile is God. If it isn't on the profile, you don't give it to someone anyways. I also specifically stated Kull's physical stats and provided examples of his prowess.

A few seconds is a long time in a fight. And, I suppose I should mention it a third time, it takes Kull less than a second for the switch up. It's not as complicated as you make it out to be. Fighters change stance mid-blows all the time. Want videos of that as well? Been awhile since I dug up the Machida fights.

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@Tristwich

If you'd like, we can have the resident unbiased judge make a call. @Ridaku.

LeeRoy or Pollen can judge too, but Daku has a more... Ummm... Blatant history of mercilessly busting my balls, so I think you'd prefer him.

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@Tristwich

It takes him less than a second to perform the swap up, as I physically demonstrated. And again, the counter and the weapon stance change happened at /the same time/, in /the same motion/. She had a definitive and stated reach advantage with her trident as well, and yes, Kull let her get close enough to hit her with the axe. As for her capacity to take him down, that depends on many factors. Angle, leverage, and of course, how he'd potentially defend against it. I actually wouldn't mind him getting toppled by her because she'd still be struck with the axe, but if Kull wanted to remain on his feet, he'd let his rear leg slide back and sprawl her. Lifting him up for a surprise at such a fast charge isn't just impractical, but also would require Selandra herself to be able to predict Kull's own speed, double standards. The difference is this.

Selandra has no stated reaction speed in her profile. Kull, however...

Abilities: Kull is a physical powerhouse, able to bench 500 and kick through cinderblock like styrofoam with his reinforced greaves. He once killed a lion with asphyxiation by ramming his fist down its throat. He has the reflexes of a professional boxer and the power to match, along with nearly three decades of experience as a manslayer.

@Doc Doctor

Here's a sprawl in action, and a world class fighter reacting to an opponent's rush down with excellent timing despite not knowing exactly how fast they'd be.



And various videos of boxers predicting and slipping punches. Perfect? Well, it's what they intended to do, and they are capable of doing it, some with ease.

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@Tristwich

He's not able to divine significant information from her muscle mass and height. I never mentioned such things. He's been in many, many fights and has a good general idea of how fast a mortal is on the battlefield. Two martial artists that have never met before can swap hands and still evade blows in a timely manner based off of past experience, based off of their idea of what a mortal biped can and cannot do. He doesn't know exactly how fast she is, but he's not being precise to within perfect parameters. He has a general estimation, and the rest depends on her body language. If that weren't the case, nobody would be able to react to and deflect a simple thrust, which he did in the same motion as he readied his axe. As in, his axe was ready /when/ he deflected her trident, /before/ she was close enough to hit him. His weapon was ready, she was wide open, and he swung.

I don't see how she could be so fast as to cross the distance faster than he could react and just bear hug him without getting blasted by a ready weapon.