Fabricant451

B!tchfest: a healthy release for our non-roleplay annoyances.

Probably the best reason tbh

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_{Just saying I know a character who's hiring}

I mean what, hey welcome

High Casual - Welcome To Camp Liberty

'Note to self, teach the servant to text properly. There are wayyyy too many actual words there'

High Casual - Welcome To Camp Liberty

Is...Is Nessa telling Han to tan

B!tchfest: a healthy release for our non-roleplay annoyances.

@SleepingSilence It's like subtweeting, when I see someone discussing who I assume to be me I say something. Thumbs up don't mean anything to me, it's laughs I care about because then I can at least feel like I'm making someone happy with my dumb terrible jokes.

No one was licking my feet nor would I expect them to. I'm fairly certain most people in this thread don't even know me at all or if they do it's just because they've seen my name around or something. And I don't really have an A game. I was a C student for most of my school life; but hey, I passed at least!

B!tchfest: a healthy release for our non-roleplay annoyances.

@SleepingSilence I wasn't being sarcastic when I called you friendo.

I call people friendo. It's supposed to be endearing. It rarely is.

You can't cry foul here because you started the debate. If I came off as aggressive in the later half it's because I constantly felt like you were being obtuse. We were having a back and forth and going nowhere anyway. But I'm not taking the sole fall here, debates are a two way street.

B!tchfest: a healthy release for our non-roleplay annoyances.

Well that about confirms that it was a monumental waste of time for both parties.

Sorry, thread, feel free to return to your regularly scheduled bitchfest.

B!tchfest: a healthy release for our non-roleplay annoyances.

...You are wasting my time...(I don't even feel like posting a full response)

@SleepingSilence

That's not very nice, friendo.

If you can't admit that going into the fucking weeds, just to be argumentative and nit picky, your full of yourself...You cannot bitch at me, for 'overreacting' of all people when your nitpicking is even WORSE and less worthwhile than mine.

It is still millions that would of never cared, buying a ticket to go see a movie.

I'm not nitpicking. I was correcting. Fifteen million dollars does not mean fifteen million people saw it. I just want numbers to be accurate/

You're telling they weren't hoping people would bitch about how overly violent it was to get people interested in purchasing it wasn't part of their plan? They know how marketing works...and they aren't the only ones...

That's exactly what I'm telling you. If you'll notice, their own marketing materials never once showed anything overtly controversial. They're making the games they want to make and they know that Grand Theft Auto is a game that's going to garner controversy regardless because it's Grand Theft Auto. Why would they potentially ruin their own creative vision just to drum up controversy?

n4g.com/news/1735027/hatred-selling-mo..

Way to miss the forest for the trees. Hatred is not a top selling video game. The Witcher 3 and GTA 5 sold far more copies than Hatred ever will. We're literally repeating the same damn argument here that controversy and controversy alone doesn't have lasting influence. No one talked about Hatred after it came out because it was a nothing game.

*cough cough* Also DOA 3 couldn't be legally purchased in US, (Not sure if that changed) which is why 'it isn't doing well'. Give me a fucking break. That's more disingenuous words...

But the thing is it is doing well. It set the record at Play-Asia. It's hardly a super success. But it's still not at the top of any charts because that's all a game sold via controversy amounts to. A tiny blip on a small radar.

It can be a leading factor to it's success. So I will argue it can, not the ONLY reason, but IT IS one of them...it's not always just one reason why people buy things, I'm arguing it's a factor at play. (and a powerful one at that.)

That depends on how you define 'success'. You'll probably bring up Hatred if I ask for a game that has controversy as a leading factor in its success because that's your one. Your one game that used controversy to make a buck because that's exactly what it set out to do. Is Overwatch going to sell more copies because of Tracer Butt Controversy or will it sell decent regardless because it has Blizzard on the box?

Controversy in games might be a factor in a small percentage of sales. The best thing 'controversy' does is open the door to people that might not have heard of it. But in your major titles put out by major companies who spend millions of dollars on marketing, they aren't going to use controversy to move product because that would be fucking insane.

Relapse was not controversial but it still sold.

(The problem with EVERYTHING your saying is it doesn't matter IN THE SLIGHTEST. AANNNDDD IS STILL WRONG!)
aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00024253.html (Sure, not as much. but it still existed...)

Yet his most controversial albums probably sold the most overall...

The albums in his discography that sold the most were the two albums he put out after Slim Shady LP got him noticed for his supposed controversial lyrics, and those are regarded as two of the finest albums ever. Both of those albums contained much more personal, introspective lyrics and songs about how controversy is stupid.

Relapse was not a controversial album at all. The Slim Shady LP was a hugely controversial album.

Every time a rapper drops a song with naughty words someone cries foul but that doesn't make it a controversial album. The biggest controversy with Relapse was that it was a really bad album that people waited four years for. Have you listened to Relapse or did you just search 'relapse controversy' for the first hit? Because if it was such a controversial album you'd think there would have been an outcry over 'Stay Wide Awake' in which he raps about kidnapping and raping women. But there was nothing.

Relapse is not a controversial album. There was no media blitz to ban the album or anything. There's no controversy there just because Eminem defended using the word faggot in a song. Rap music always gets picked on for being 'misogynist' but we're not in the 90s anymore when the idea of hardcore rap was making people piss themselves.

You saying that is just needed to exist to sell, is a falsehood. Maybe not intentional but, that is a fallacy assuming the sequel means more money. I showed other examples of popular franchising making less, even though it was a sequel. And if even 1% of sales had to do with the controversy. That's over half a million people...Which is no small number...Granted that's just an assumption. But at this point I don't think I can get anywhere by actually trying...>.>

You showed examples of lesser franchises selling well but dropping off. You didn't mention the bolster in sales that ME2 coming cross platform had. Dead Space, Dark Souls, and Mass Effect are not Grand Theft Auto. Ask some random person on the street which of those four games they've heard of and I guarantee Grand Theft Auto will be the one people have heard of. The fact that each main entry in the GTA franchise has sold more than the one before it leads credence to my whole 'all it needed to do was exist' thing.

Half a million units is tiny when you consider that it sold damn near sixty million.

Which only serves to further my whole point that controversy isn't as large a factor as you think it is in the gaming world.

So, I think I'm going to just going to ignore this and drop it...but I know for a fact, I won't be the next one to bring this kind of B.S into the discussion...but I'll be the criminal for pointing it out...>.> Which I think its a little hypocritical, but whatever.

You got on my case because of an innocuous comment about GTA's sales numbers. I've only ever been defending my viewpoint here, friendo. But this whole thing has been incredibly pointless and stupid because it's a meaningless discussion

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I got a post up, mostly to move Blake so she could theoretically be wherever something went down/she was needed

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Blake Mitchell

At some point between leaving to follow the kid with a vendetta against Wes Harmon and the halfway point to the Harmon residence, Blake shook her head and turned her car around. The reason she had managed to stay in operation for as long as she had was because she had a specific set of rules she lived by. Tenants, in a word, that kept her clear, clean, and free of suspicion. She didn't get in the way of the proper authorities and she didn't get involved in cases far above her paygrade. The Harmon's were known. Black Mitchell was practically a guest in town, but guests that made an ass of themselves got thrown out on their ass. She was sure that there was more to that whole nasty kidnapping business than let on...but she wasn't getting paid to find out nor was she crazy enough to pursue it.

Which was to say that Blake Mitchell did not so much as look in her rear view mirror once the kid seemed so determined to stay the course. Blake did what any reasonable adult would do: she returned to her office, kicked her feet up on her desk, and watched videos on the internet for a couple of hours. It was rather boring, all things considered, but when she wasn't getting hired and her ad for help wasn't going to be run until the next day...there was little else she could do. Being a private detective was ninety percent waiting for that one person to walk through the door.

Eventually, Blake managed to doze off, waking up only after her cell phone rang. By the clock on the lock screen it was...

"Shit...Felicia..."

Blake had to think back. Did she promise to pick Felicia up today or was she going to catch the bus? She figured it didn't really matter one way or another since Felicia wasn't the one calling her, but rather a solicitor who left a voice mail that was deleted straight away. Blake slowly rubbed her temple with her thumb before pushing away from her desk. Air. She needed air. And something to munch wouldn't hurt, a bit of pre-dinner snackage. It really hit home that all she had to eat so far was a convenience store breakfast burrito which, while delicious, was hardly filling for the full day.

So again Blake left the comfort of her office for the comforts of her car. It wouldn't hurt to swing by the school to see if Felicia needed a ride home, but as she pulled out of her office lot she did so with no real desire to do anything other than solve her stomach issues. Though considering the happenings the last time she mixed food and her car...Blake was prepared for damn near anything as she turned onto the main road.