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Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Dynamo Frokane I mean, yes...yes it is...But...a simple yes or no would be nice. Please? With a cherry on a top? :D

@SleepingSilence

I'm giving you a very clear I'm not sure, thats why I said possibly.

Do you and that right wing pugbutter really think I'm somehow SCARED of saying JonTron is racist explicitly? Because I'm really not scared of expressing any view about JonTron on a forum. I just don't happen to be convinced that he is just yet.

Lets talk about JonTron and his possibly racist views.

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That's another thing, isn't it? If you're delusional enough to think that a Polish developer primarily hiring Polish employees is somehow "White Nationalism,"

So why do you try to backpedal when you regret saying something ignorant? It doesn't work unless you alter/hide your posts. We can see what you said and you said he's a racist, both explicitly and through rancorous implications.

As for evidence, your refusal to acknowledge it does not mean that I was unwilling to provide it. You closed your eyes and to you that seems to mean it stopped existing.

@pugbutter

Find the quote where I said that CD Projekt Red hiring was white nationalism, I'll wait.

Backpedal on what? What am I going back on? All my view are here clear as day, how about arguing what Ive said rather than what you think that I want to say but for some reason I'm keeping secret.

Supposed Purple Haired Hippos working at Bioware isnt incontrovertible evidence, I honestly dont know how else I can say it.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@SleepingSilence read my post that i quoted pubutter im very clear about my views on jontron

Lets talk about JonTron and his possibly racist views.

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It's pretty insulting when you pretend you didn't say things that you very clearly did, just because they've backfired on you. This is a public forum. It's scummy enough when you do it where there's no physical evidence to demonstrate your backpedaling, but just short of you editing all your posts out, they're right there for everyone to see for themselves. Pretending you "didn't say" this or that is basically calling us illiterate, blind, stupid, or any combination of the three.

Again, here we go:

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really - adverb - in reality; actually; genuinely or truly (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/really). You even ALL-CAPSed it so we'd be sure to see it. Why use that word if you either don't know what it means or are not using it ingenuously?

@pugbutter

Physical evidence now? I'm still waiting for your incontrovertible evidence back in the mass effect thread.

I'm sorry but this approach just isn't working, you think using these aggressive terms with me is going to get me to flame back or something.

I hold the opinion that you can hold some bigoted views that could be seen as pretty close to racism but still not be an outright dyed in the wool racist. As Ive said multiple times I think that hes come upon this 'info' quite recently and hasn't really been challenged enough to make his mind up yet OR he could be a racist who just happens to be shit at debating, I don't know, I'm admitting I don't know, hence my use of the word possibly.

You seem convinced I'm covering up something, like what am I really afraid of saying?

If I was convinced JonTron was a racist, I would clearly state that, Ive said more controversial things then that, believe me. Its not a big deal.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Dynamo Frokane I can like people and respect people I disagree with. Odd right? I can find different political views funny. Like Stephan Colbert when he ran his show, was funny. If they sent me music, if I asked for it. I wouldn't bother acknowledging that I disagree with their outside thoughts, and simply thank them for the music. Like a normal healthy person should. :D

^-^ Even if the feeling isn't mutual or given back. Can also admit to making mistakes, which certain members can't seem to grasp despite evidence being literally on my doorstep.

@SleepingSilence

You made the mistake of asserting that I was asserting JonTron is racist, how about admitting to that and we can go from there.

Lets talk about JonTron and his possibly racist views.

The fun thing about JonTron is that I guess he's supposedly part Iranian. Like his father or grandfather or something came from Iran, but not only that was a major force in Iranian nationalist politics pre-Islamic Revolution. So it's almost ironic he's obsessing over white-nationalism where if the people really into it dug into his background they'd get into ground where they could call him part of the "problem" per the "extermination" of the white race.

But really, X-identity politics is pretty shit, nationalism anything needs to be pushed aside. It's good to be proud, but don't drag it out to beat the war drum.

@Dinh AaronMk

The way he argues is like he looked up '5 WAYS TO DESTROY ANY LEFTY' from a Stefan Molyneux forum and then thought he could hang in a debate.

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@Fabricant451 "Hey look I wont criticize anyone but Dynamo"
:P

Lets talk about JonTron and his possibly racist views.

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Where you called him racist? That's right here:

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There are several others too, but they're more insinuations than direct declarations. This is the one where you say it explicitly.

@pugbutter

'Probably some sort of alt right persuasion' =/= Racist

especially cause I'm not calling him alt right, I'm saying he may be getting some of his information from these said groups.

But I'm absolutely insinuating he might be racist sure, white nationalist talking points are pretty close to what most people would consider racism.

Lets talk about JonTron and his possibly racist views.

@SleepingSilence

1. I'll call my threads whatever the hell I want.

2. His views do fall inline with white nationalist talking points, that's enough to raise a racism possibility.

3. Saying you dont want non white people to enter the genepool is racist, I dare you to talk your way around that.

4. I was speaking loosely, I said prob dont watch it as short hand for dont spend 5 hours listening out for maybe 5 or 6 extremish quotes from jon tron.

5. I dont care what labels 'people' use, I havent labeled anyone anything in this thread so this seems like strawman along with your climate change and facebook post, I could not give a crap, stay on topic.

Lets talk about JonTron and his possibly racist views.

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Lets talk about JonTron and his possibly racist views.

^ The exact title. My man, what else can that even be/implying? Also I did state/mildly edit this to refer to literally anyone implying someone is racist. Wasn't directed only at you, even before the edit.

So that's one point for me...I want do the next dare, I won't eat anything gross. Just fyi. *sarcasm*

You want to pretend/act like your trying to have an actual conversation and aren't using agenda based politics, here's a dare for you. Don't use any labels while discussing this topic...not only is it possible, it would be better as well.

Here, I'll even help you.

Title: How do you feel about JonTron and the things that he said? (How's that? Worked an excruciating 4 seconds on it. :D)

@SleepingSilence

So you couldn't find the quote where I called him racist? Well thats cleared up then, thanks for coming clean.

The views point in the direction of white nationalist talking points, especially worrying that immagrants will enter the gene pool is pretty fucking alarming and not just another mainstream view unless you share this same idea and see nothing wrong with it.

I'm not sure if you've watched either of the videos? Have you? Can you say for certain that nothing he said in the 2 hours of the destiny debate came off as a little extreme and possibly indicating some dodgy views or are you just responding to a strawman that calls everyone racist for no reason?

If I didn't want to have a conversation I wouldn't have made it a thread would I? How about you lay off trying to read my mind and assume my intentions, your psychic powers dont seem to be particularly strong tonight.