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Definitely cool with sharing NPC roles for sure as its part of the nature of collaborative writing.

Back to ages, that’d place Joffrey around sixteen years after his name-day, and Arya/Sansa respectively at 11-12/13-14 or so. Fine by me, but that would also by lore make it absolutely pointless for Cersei to be regent when it comes time to Joffrey’s coronation (another difference ‘le gasp!) as Joffrey by Westerosi terms is a ‘man’ at 16 and not a ‘boy’ no longer. Gives him a lot more weight to him.

With Catelyn alive, Petyr might fancy trying to get Eddard killed in some way that doesn’t get back to him. But the thing is… is he still in love with Catelyn or Young Catelyn (who Sansa supposedly resembles perfectly). It’s going to take quite a bit of time movements to get to the point of Blackwater though if memory serves that’s exactly/about a year after [the execution]. I think keeping Sansa in King’s Landing post-Robert’s Death wouldn’t hurt much especially when she sees Joffrey’s aggravation or drifting eyes. Knowing Sansa she’d stupidly confide in Cersei for advice…

The Games we Play Around the Throne

Starting before the river “trial” or during it would seem the best jump-off, and we can clearly work with either. For me I think sequential flashbacks would benefit as characters move on the kingsroad. I can go across my version of Joffrey’s thoughts during all of this and watnot.

I don’t think it would be in Cat’s best interests to keep Tyrion in a city full of Lannister supporters when it was KNOWN that she supposedly had Tyrion. By the time of Ned’s “trial/execution” Catelyn was still in the Vale and Tyrion was heading home when he got accosted by the one not-wildlings tribe in the Vale. There’s a lot of distance to travel that we have to account for.

Also are we going by television ages or novel ages?

Petyr has a silver tongue, and Joffrey is still very easily manipulated. So there’s a lot he could do pre-Blackwater. We don’t need Joffrey to be “smuggled out” if he is already obviously fighting in that battle or something. How you plan stuff with Petyr and Sansa is up to you as I have no clue how Sansa is going to be “unbetrothed” or anything like that to Joffrey.

Then there is the matter of Arya/Syrio being approached by the Lannister bannermen when Eddard Stark is imprisoned? Perhaps we can switch that up and perhaps Joffrey goes himself? Hence she wouldn’t be on the run and all of that?

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The River:

Yeah, Cersei certainly doesn’t get an answer from Joffrey who probably would be just all: “It’s nothing, leave it be mother.” Or something of that nature. But generally the trial doesn’t seem too different at the end of the day it plays out much like canon.

Though I do believe that The Hound would’ve been sent by Robert/Cersei, rather than Joffrey. But that’s semantics at this point we’ve gotten a lot of this figured out.

Clash of Kings:

Yep, Eddard was certainly way too trusting and was easily manipulated.

I mean Tyrion might still be captured since the whole nonsense with the assassin still seems to happen to our agreeance, yeah? I don’t mind Ned’s little public display of the will and it will certainly depress and anger Joffrey a lot.

Depends how Petyr schemes it, I’d imagine. I mean I’m not sure Joffrey would be present at Blackwater if he gets smuggled out?

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I talked to Gero and basically; why don't we try to do a Titanpad to sum up the scene ourselves in a collab or something? We've been stretching this too far.

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Clash of Kings:

I do think Eddard was honestly upset that the incest happened as if you remember it is considered a critical sin through the religion Eddard follows (the Old Gods apparently are really against bastardy, incest, and kinslaying). So mixed with Eddard’s extreme sense of honor I think that was the reason he acted on the news of the incest so brutally. Did Petyr and Varys lead Eddard to discovering this? More or less, yeah, but his reaction was his own and not forged by the manipulation right?

I think that was the point of Robb though, he was rash and didn’t think things through (such as screwing over the Freys). Perhaps a smarter Robb would be prevalent in the AU, but I like the rash idiocy of Robb that cost him both Winterfell and his life in the long term.

I think people trying to head to King’s Landing when news that Eddard’s trial being delayed becomes apparent (and him not executed). Maybe Cat would try to go off to King’s Landing, and then it becomes a battle for who can convince Joffrey to do what with Ned (which Cersei and Tywin would want sent to the wall or exiled iirc).

The Trial:

Remember that Arya implored Sansa to tell the truth, which she doesn’t. But I’m struggling with Joffrey admitting something or keeping quiet to save his pride. If the former, I imagine it would be something along the line of: “We were sparring, it got out of hand.” obviously stretching the truth. Though I imagine it wouldn't cange much since Cersei would just be like "Direwolves are dangerous" or "Something needs to be punished".

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Clash of Kings:

So was it his father’s imprisonment or his father’s execution that made him go “Fuck this, King of the North, War Time!” at any rate? My memory is quite foggy on this matter. Either way I think as Ned sits in the dungeons for weeks on end while Joffrey speculates his fate tension could still lead to King Robb and his war, right? Assuming we make Petyr the one who framed Tyrion for the assassination then a lot of events would go as expected.

Direwolf Trial:

I think for the most part it makes sense that Sansa blabbed and her lies would still go pretty much to note. But we can assume the Hound was already hunting the Butcher’s Boy so even if Joffrey speaks up himself things are already done and I think Cersei would convince her husband that “Dire Wolves are Dangerous, the Beast has to be punished” so Lady might still perish due to that. Joffrey doesn’t have much control here even if he speaks up.

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Bran, Arya, The Butcher’s Boy:

At the end of the day, Bran still got pushed out of the tower and becomes a cripple, yeah? It’s just the assassin that many speculate was Joffrey due to some of the things he stated to Tyrion but I can’t remember so we might shelf that and have events go as they did with that.

Let’s assume starting from after the river (or during) is our best course of canon drop-off. I mean Arya still tells her wolf to leave (remember Sansa’s wolf was only killed after the fact that Arya’s wolf disappeared and ‘a wolf had to die’) after it attacks Joffrey, right? Also, where does this leave Arya’s friend who gets executed because he happened to be responsible because of ‘reasons’?

Not sure about Syrio training Joffrey at an earlier or current point in time, but that's a neat idea.

Ned:

It depends how the conversation goes with Joffrey visiting the dungeons, something he did not do originally. Having a heart-to-heart with Ned despite the Lord Stark pretty much damning them to live through Stannis’ nonsense later on is something that brings an issue.

Sansa:

I imagine he comes to a decisions after a lot of aggravated quiet contemplation. Also next to her sister, Sansa, must seem pretty unspectacular by comparison as there are few “noblewomen” who have interest in martial pursuits.

Petyr & Cersei:

Petyr would definitely try to play his game, but I’m sure he would be surprised by Joffrey forgiving/not-executing Lord Stark. As for Cersei I could enjoy how this ends up being written.

Tyrion & Cat:

I’d like Tyrion to still become Hand of the King and all of that in Tywin’s absence and inspire Joffrey at the Battle of Blackwater when we reach that point; and since Joffrey might latch onto Tyrion’s wisdom (which would PISS the LIVING SHIT out of Cersei) it turns into a character arc from there.

Also, Robb still marches on the south due to his father being imprisoned right? The whole Clash of Kings plot arc might be something to think about.

Game of Thrones - A Song of Ice and Fire

Winterfell, Westeros | Beron Stark

If it wasn’t one thing, it was another.

The Lord of Winterfell could sense the tension around him as he looked to his small assortment of men that sat at the table. There were few lords in the history of Winterfell that adapted such a Targaryen concept—the small council. However the Lord Stark had none of the resources or foundations to emulate what the true small council wielded but in times such as these he realize he needed it more than ever. An assortment of those who formerly bent a knee to the ancient Starks in the east had risen up in a revolt that was much too soon. The Skagosi as they had been known had been harboring resentment that only the Bolton’s could sympathize with but according to the men before him it was rather unfounded to suspect the Lord of the Dreadfort to be causing such a risky endeavor. The Bolton’s were smart if admittedly distant to those within House Stark. Beron held no love for the men of the Dreadfort, but in his older age a lure of paranoia swept upon him even if he understood the likelihood of meddling was low.

His second-born had jokingly referred to it as a ‘great spring sickness’ that followed the Blackfyre Rebellion like a plague; a joke that the Lord of Winterfell found rather unamusing. Perhaps it was the reason that Henrik Stark had been sent to The Vale to present the presence of Stark at a zealous boy’s parade. He understood the southerners loved their celebrations, but to give such a person that much attention was worrysome. But he had to make appearances as it was the wise and correct thing to do. His father had told him not to burn bridges when in the coming months you need that bridge the most. Besides, he needed eyes in the south that he could count on and Erik had been begging to travel away from the cold of the North, so in a way the boy got his way.

Moving his hands behind his back he looked to the members who had not spoken, his eyes shifting to an empty chair which the council he had formed generally filled a northmen named Eddard Whitehill—one of the few men knighted that resided in the North due to his house’s beleifs leaning towards the Faith of the Seven over the Old Gods. Beron was not like his uncle in the regards that he saw the Whitehill’s as traitors to the values of the North or anything of the sort and as such treated him with respect and tolerance. One’s faith should never dictate relations unless they bore zealous nature that made it impossible to do so. It was something Maester Tywar had taught him when he was small and was where a good deal of his wisdom came from. He had sent Ser Eddard south to Gulltown along with his son—to the tourney that still entered his thoughts. He wondered how they were doing at this very moment.

Beron’s worn eyes met his head maester’s own and he could sense that there was something even more worrying. What could it have been? It was certain that the meeting of the veteran maesters, warriors, and himself couldn’t have come at a more perfect time as they were not lacking in things to speak upon. The Skagosi were only the tip of the iceberg, which was honestly a good thing to hear. For one small thing to erupt would be much too simple—and nothing that befell the Starks was ever simple or at least not in the scheme of recent history.

“Let us begin—Maester Tywar, speak your mind.”

“Of course, my lord. It seems that I must bring urgent news from the west as your vanguard resting at Ironwatch have sent word to us.”

“I see, so the Ironborn have finally reared their ugly heads. I am honestly surprised they had not done so much sooner, but they have always been very difficult to predict. What kind of landing party are we looking at? Has word been sent to the Blazefort as well?”

Maester Tywar nodded, “Despite the Blazeport being our least manned stronghold of them all, yes Lord Stark they have been warned.”

Maestar Tywar’s tone was curious as Beron felt like there was a sense of worry and dread referring to Blazeport. A landing of Ironborn in an attempt to reave the countryside after a time of war and strife was not uncommon as the people of the Iron Isles were no better than lowborn tribes who took what they wanted when it was easy for them to take it. Despite being more open-minded than his predecessors Beron still thought low of the ironborn that existed. If the islands had not been so difficult to siege this would not be a problem in the present day as they would’ve been seen as nothing more but sea-sailing wildlings who needed to be put down. He began to ponder why they had not been put down by Targaryen fire years ago since nobody could ever keep a handle on the raiders for long.

“Has the Lord of Pyke truly lost control of his own men?” Beron Stark spoke as a deep breath of aggravation followed.

“It’s hard to say, but few can understand the Ironborn. We knew that one day Harrion Greyjoy’s period of ‘ironborn peace’ would end, the Ironborn cannot survive without their raiding.”

The Lord of Winterfell nodded, “Send what men we can to reinforce the western coast. We can manage the Skagosi and the Ironborn.”

“I certainly hope so, my lord.”

He nodded, “I will be setting out for Karhold with a small levy when the sun rises. Let my son, Edwyle, know that Winterfell’s responsibilities fall on him when he returns from Starkhaven in my absence.”

“As you wish, Lord Stark. May the old gods guide you.”

“…and you, my friend.”

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Well first of all, with my Joffrey being less of an arbitrary manchild it would likely affect a lot of the events in the events even before the “fight” on the river. Such as the assassin attacking Bran in his sleep would not happen, Joffrey’s bitterness at Tyrion would not be as apparent as the Imp seems to be the only male mentor in his life who gives him any attention as Robert finds Joffrey a “little monster” and is more content with whoring and hunting to an early grave.

If we start at the river I imagine we are going to have a lot of sequence time movements to minimize filler?

The declaration of incest is going to make Joffrey angry as all hell at everyone when that hits his ears which will further alienate him from his own mother.

Again Joffrey’s from the start more interested in impressing Robert so his interest in swordplay is a way emulating the strength/skill of his father even though he still gets ignored which drives him to be tougher. So at the river he’s probably a bit tougher? I don’t know, maybe his intentions were to give a lesson in a sort of aggressive way—hell maybe he doesn’t even get bitten with how we end up writing the scene?

Ned:

And yes, Ned, probably will live since he basically told Joffrey the truth of his birth which while distressing was a sort of reality he has to face. I’m thinking he would send Ned to the dungeons for an undecided amount of time as leverage? I don’t know. There’s a lot of options here that could be in-depth discussions or decisions: The Night’s Watch, Essos, etc.

Sansa:

The political marriage might’ve been something Joffrey saw as more his father acknowledging him but he perhaps grows worried that Sansa’s romanaticization of the royal marriage is a sign that she’s a political creature which reminds him of his mother which makes him feel uncomfortable. Sansa is said to look very fair and like her mother in her youth—which is also initially alluring to Joffrey.

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This all sounds pretty good for spitballin’ though and I don’t mind some of these ideas. Though I can imagine the Cersei-Joffery divide growing a lot more with the ideas in my head like bits where she demands to know why he didn’t speak of the attack in the first place and irritated as all hell he’d tell his mother blankly it’s none of her concern. My Joffrey is more concerened with impressing his father and garnering attention in any ways (hence why he in my mind takes up more rigid training with the sword and when the Battle of Blackwater happens he so mans up.) – I’m just not sure how we’d explain the King running off playing “adventure”. Hm…. You know what?

I am so down for this. Sign me up for idea development.