Kho

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If we want to retr-edit, here are the particular numbers:

it could only be massive when all the tribes of the Azad Confederation had gathered in one place.There were some six thousand Azad warriors, ten thousand warriors of the Mu'aykala tribe, eight thousand of the Huntalla tribe, twelve thousand of the Dhul’Dhanab, and some four thousand from the other smaller clans and tribes – which alone came at fifteen tribes and clans, each with their own Qa’id. If one were to count the women and children, the number would have been considerably more. In total, however, the united war party itself came at an earth-shaking, sky-splitting forty thousand warriors.

2nd CyKhollab

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Anyway, everyone, will I have to retro-edit or are the numbers fine?

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@Cyclone I've used games as my source throughout my life and I sit with history students at uni and teach them stuff, so I think I'm fine xP

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Also, just to make clear that Galbar's population should be north of 5 million:

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Yes, by this logic the people should all worship Vestec and Jvan because in CK2 every priest and his mother is a member of Lucifer's Own/The Fellowship of Hel/The Cold Ones/*insert other copy and paste demon cults here* and they all get OP powers for virtually no penalty. :/

Point being that CK2 is silly lol

@Cyclone

You dismissed a valid point and struck at something entirely different. The game is meant to be based on historical culture and civilisations and seeks to show the various advantages and disadvantages of the various forms of human organisation. I think in the particular context that I am using the game here, it is relevant. Beyond that, gameplay aspects are what players make of it - though I've personally never met any Satan worshippers or whatnot. What the hell kind of mods are you using? xDD

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@Muttonhawk Nop, this is just the ebb and flow of a nomadic region - one tribe rises above the others and subjugates them, maybe they attack a few other cultures or are attacked, great leader dies and everything disintegrates. Another tribes rises up and subjugates the rest, attack a few others maybe, then he dies and everything falls apart.

If Shaqmar succeeds in uniting the Rukbans he would naturally turn on Vetros which is long-term Rukban raiding destination.

Edit: or he might press further north into the Great Steppe

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Anyone who plays CKII would be able to understand that hordes can muster up greater forces than settled people, but are - on the other hand - very unstable and won't create any lasting 'civilisation' unless they settle. It's a classic nomadic trait to just be able to swamp things.

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These army sizes are not one or two clans, they're the combination of 20+ tribes and clans - and that only got them to 40,000 - only when a whole other confederation joined with 10,000 did the number go to 50,000

We need to keep in mind that the Golden Plains are gigantic - it's only natural that there would be huge populations there. Huge plains, lots of herding grounds, bigger herds, they can maintain bigger tribes, and so on. Wars diminish their size from time to time, but they breed like rabbits.

And plus, I believe we have naturally occurring metals that are harder than bronze - the swords and other weapons Rukbans use come via merchants from the tedar and whatnot - and perhaps there is the odd blacksmith who has learned. So we're not actually in the 'bronze' age on that front.

I definitely think that somewhere like Alefpria would have populations north of 100,000

Edit: plus, steppe hordes whether in 2000 BC, 100 AD, or 1200 AD lived in pretty much the same way. If Attila and the Mongols could muster such large forces, any significantly large steppe culture should likewise be able to. It's not like the Mongols had medicine and technology which was far greater than that of the Huns

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Guys, as you know, Shaqmar marched out against the Ma'Erkoz with 40,000 warriors in his war party, and was later joined by 10,000 of the Tagham.

A few battles took place between 10,000+ hordes on either side as seen in the second CyKhollab. Cyclone has just objected about these numbers and wants me to retroactively edit (>:CCCC). He says that these armies are bigger than the populations of (maybe?) all of Galbar, or significant population centres. I insist that these numbers are only natural and in line with what I've read on Mongols as well as ancient battles. Cyclone says Mongols are much later historically than the relative period on Galbar at the moment - but if we look to, say, the Huns and Romans, they had battles which had over 50,000 warriors on each side (at a minimum): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ca..

So, just want to get thoughts on the matter as I'm particularly averse to retro-editing anything.

Just some stats

When Alexander invaded India - while neither side is nomadic - there were tens of thousands on each side: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Hy..
And earlier in his campaign, he appears to have gone up against a Persia with up to 250,000 against him: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaugam..
The Battle of Kadesh, a truly ancient battle, is reported to have had up to 50,000 soldiers on one side, 20,000 on the other: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kadesh
Another (less) ancient battle: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Plataea
This one relies heavily on an ancient source, but even if one reduces the numbers by four or fives times they are considerable: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thymbra

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be back in ten years, writing articles

EDIT: I am humbled by Lifprasil's place as the Wiki's icon.

@poog the pig

See you then :D
And yeah, it's oddly fitting. You know, that gif is bumbling about somewhere in one of the first page posts. I've just been gathering all these gifs y'all make and plomping them wherever - you know, as a pleasant surprise for anyone bored enough to look through all that