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new leg today. I AM TERMINATOR REBORN
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@POOHEAD189

Maybe I'll add Germany to my list of countries to flee too.

I just worry that I would walk around saying: "This is how we say goodbye in Germany!"


I'm not comfortable with the EU at the moment. There's a lot of economic, social, and political instability and nobody seems to be addressing any of it. And then there's the whole "Germany taking control over Europe" aspect which, you know, historically hasn't panned out for the best. I figure within ten years there will be some ultra-serious changes, the likes of which I'd rather read about on BBC than experience first-hand.
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They tend to abuse their children and divorce much more than hetero couples for a start.


Yeah, we heteros only divorce 40% of the time and abuse 685,000 children annually!!!

(those numbers are actually trending down, FWIW, yay us kinda?)
@mdk Bathroom use was never legally enforced at all, trans people used bathrooms corresponding with their gender without incident for quite a while until this law craze popped up.


So with the new laws, they began the genital inspections at the bathroom stall?

let's spare the leading questions and skip to the point

Here's the actual history of bathroom access. Laws overwhelmingly trended progressive -- in 49 out of 50 states, the laws your talking about do not exist and never existed and never are going to exist. North Carolina is was the one and only state with a (short-lived)biological sex rule; three other states (including Mississippi, misleadingly labeled the same color as NC on CNN's very fake news infographic) allow the decision to be made at a local level. This is the 'law craze' you speak of.

Let's examine that again. Three states in the USA, out of 50, allow local governments and/or businesses to have their own policies. As these policies are entirely unenforceable, that is the moral equivalent of three states allowing people to express an opinion on a controversial matter.

What I am positing is not that NC was in the right. They weren't. I am not positing that 46 other states were in the right. They weren't. I'm saying that three states which said "Not my problem, you make up your own damn mind" are the only ones granting their citizens real actual freedom on this issue, and I commend them for that. Those are the states doing it right, and if I owned a business in one of those states (I don't), you could use whatever bathroom you wanted.

Except the handicap bathroom, because that's mine. Incidentally, disabled people who look non-disabled get grief/hassled/harassed all the time -- MORE OPPRESSION POINTS FOR ME WOOT I AM RUNNING AWAY WITH THIS CONTEST

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And basically, GOP lawmakers are pushing laws that would legally(?) make trans people have to use the restroom on their birth certificate.


Hadn't that been the rule all along?
@mdk Oh, it definitely is related to lobbyists, who are trying to pander to those who are discriminatory.

...when did I ever say I hate cisgender white men? The dumbasses who discriminate against them because they happen to be born into positions of privilege disgust me, it's not their fault, don't be the fuckin' discriminatory people you're fighting. Plus there are civil rights issues surrounding them, particularly men--men are raped and denied help (or even accused of liking it, or being the rapist!), denied custody, etc, and that's something I also want to bring awareness to. I'm not going to discriminate against you simply because you're not a minority, what kind of terrible logic is that??


that bit was supposed to be a joke about my own real actual ignorance on transgender bathroom issues. I straight up have NO FUCKING CLUE what's going on down there/in there/around there/about there/etc. there. None. None whatsoever. I DO NOT GET IT. Totally open about that. No jab was intended.

EDIT: also, I'm totally a minority, remember? I'm still counting myself ahead in the oppression olympics.
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-- MDK's First Law of Projection


ARE YOU SAYING WE'RE NOT AT WAR WITH EURASIA????
False equivalencies everywhere.

Misrepresentation of ideas everywhere.


selective reading incomprehension. When a point can be brushed off if it was a different point, it becomes a different point.
"Sure you can be fired for being gay or transgender in the US and we're constantly trying to limit your rights to adopt and to scapegoat trans people as pedophiles and force them to use the bathroom their genetalia corresponds to, despite the fact that this won't limit sexual assault and is more likely to cause trans people to be assaulted themselves! But hey! We're not killing you like in the Middle East."


Pulse. They're killing you over here, too! But moving on.

You (almost certainly) have more perspective on the bathroom issue than I do. Tell me something. From my ignorant EVIL CIS WITE MALE POV, the very first time I ever heard of this as a problem was shortly after the SCOTUS legalized marriage. Never once in my entire life had I heard a whisper about it before -- and suddenly it was the biggest social injustice in the country that bathrooms in 2016 were like bathrooms in 2015. It has never made sense to me -- how the fuck would anybody know what your genitals look like in a bathroom? Are people checking your genitals in the bathroom? What is or was or has been preventing a trans person from just doing their thing? I do not understand and I would like to understand. I can guess but my guesses are all lobbyist-money related.
I believe.


CITE IT.

I'll make a masterdebater out of you yet.

edit: there it is, you got it
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