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Arena: Open
Power Level: Powered
Victory Requirements: K.O, Death, Rout
Wager: Open/Matched
Stipulation: Same tier.

http://www.roleplayerguild.com/topics/79934-people-trapped-in-a-giant-melon/ooc
Plus this is a free forum, it's not like anyone can force you into the leaderboards.
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Being in the same tier does not make you equal to somebody in power level. It puts you in an equal category that is based upon the upper and lower limits of the available scope of powers within the tier.

If I'm playing a pyromancer who is in the same tier as a viking with a metal shield, and melting metal with fire is in the scope of my power, I would very much expect to be able to melt your shield with fire unless you have something specifically preventing that action. I would not be happy to accept that your shield was unaffected because of the tier that you are in.

Logic should take precedence over all else, and the rules should adequately reflect the logic of combat without providing excuses to mismatch power levels in either direction.


Find me a man who can shoot fire from his hands and come back to me on how logic should dictate post by post combat.

Of course, melting metal with fire requires incredibly high temperatures, and would essentially allow you to kill any character even up to the supernatural tier instantaneously, which is why the system is in place. You wouldn't be allowed to fight anyone you could kill instantly unless they for some reason accepted a fight that unfair.

So in that made up scenario, your fire wouldn't be that hot, and even if it were the nature of fire being shot out of your hands that hot would cause a huge number of other 'logical' problems for your mage, who would have to be fireproof past the level of that metal, giving him a supernatural durability many times above that tier level.

At which point, because we're fighting and somehow the same tier level, I would use whatever ballshit logic argument you were using to stay alive while shooting furnace heat from your hands to say the fire had cooled and deflections of heat significantly reduce its ability to melt.

Logic is shit like that.
I feel like ten is definitely too many tiers, but three isn't enough for the level of specificity you need to be fair in a ranked system. If you're being largely lax about the ranked system then it's not so bad, but I don't think it can adequately match characters for the purposes of "equal" power levels as it is.

For just-for-fun fights, sure, the loose definitions provided by the three-tier system are fine. In ranked? Less so.

I am fairly certain that I could make a character on the highest fringe of the second tier and beat 90% of people with it (purely from a power perspective, disregarding individual combat skill) and I feel like that could be exploited?


Probably not under the restrictions of T1 Eden Era. Because you're under the constraints of the ranking system according to the fighting system we use you are for all intents and purposes matched in abstract terms of power and magic. They can defend against you in any logical way they wish, and the 'fluff' so to speak of your power doesn't matter.

For example, my Viking Character once deflected an energy ball with a completely ordinary shield, because the attack wasn't any stronger than my defence just because the character is written with magical powers which seem to suggest it should be stronger. Now, if they were literally the tier above that would be a different story.

The constraints of the ranking system come into play with T1, because within reason anyone can be expected to beat anyone else, if they out-think them.
I'm actually going to agree with the 3-tier system for a change. I've seen enough attempts at reworking the formula to know that it usually just becomes a whirlpool of a mess.

If the 3-tier system eventually ends up being a problem, I think we're more than capable to sort that out when the time comes.


I agree.

We had a discussion around tier earlier in this debate and decided the old more specific system 1-10 was still terrible, at least as it stands currently there's a relatively flexible and simplistic system to jump into. If huge power differentials break out and we have people complaining that the system isn't fair then it can be reworked in the future.
So do you want us to post to the OOC of that thread if we're interested in being put on the leaderboards?
My own son got locked up in prison, and I didn't save his life.


You got off easy when they pickled that moose cock.

lolol, that always broke me.
@Innue you can host it then. You get to pick virtually everything about it. So long as it happens in May.

@Altered Tundra my girlfriend hates ERB. Hahaha. My favorite is Zeus vs Thor, but lyrically I think Poe vs King was best.

@Skallagrim the only appropriate way to handle the situation. Hahahah.


Gotta be the Russian special, god I historygazmed over that ERBH.

Your loyalty's shrivelled up like your right hand man!
I appreciate a decent backdrop to a fight, but I don't want it to influence the combat at more than a passive level.
I'm still interested in the random teams of two tournament, that sounded like a cool idea what it first came up back in the day.
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