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@Masterkeun I can see you're probably not finished with the sheet, since there seems to be a lot of room for further detail but there's a few minor points I want to bring up.

1) Since this draws heavily from established canon, you have to take into account House Frey's genealogy. There were a looooooot of Frey heirs. Sons, and grandsons, and greatgrandsons, and bastards, and grandbastards and so on. Edwyn and Black Walder were the main contenders and there was probably a a lot of others, and a lot of Freys probably died, but it's next to impossible that there wouldn't have been a male heir to House Frey. So you'd kinda have to come up with a specific lineage with the Freys you want to play. Also in canon, I do not believe there are any swamps outside of the Neck mentioned. The only swamp nearby the Riverlands would be where the crannogmen live, and they incidentally have a feud with the Freys. If they Freys had to live there... well let's just say I don't see the Freys living in a swamp. Alternatively, they could still hold the Twins but they could have had a lot of hostages taken and those complicit in the Red Wedding executed. Basically what happened to the Greyjoys when they rebelled.

2) It's only in very specific circumstances that a woman would lead a House. Dorne is the exception to the rule, but all other notable female rulers we have in the series are either widows of the Lord or the last of their name. Or they live in environs where people are a little more accepting of female rulers, like the women of Bear Island or Asha Greyjoy with her sailors. It is extremely unlikely and implausible that Mable wouldn't have any eligible male relatives who would take control. In most of Westeros, females only inherit when all other legitimate male heirs are not an option. With the information I have, Mable's twin brother would be the rightful ruler of House Frey. But again that's assuming all of the canon Freys just all died, which is unlikely. I also find it unlikely that the Freys especially would tolerate a woman as leader. I think your original concept of having Mable apart from the leadership, as a sellsword might work better.

3) The Mountain Clans are seen as barbarians by the whole realm. Tyrion getting a deal with them was pretty much a once-in-a-lifetime event. Walder Frey certainly could not and probably would not have made the same kind of arrangement. If you need a leader of the Frey military, it'd be better to use an actual Frey since they're so many of them and the House Sheets are for family member PCs. Servants and vassals would be NPCs.

4) There needs to be a lot more detail. What are the trueborn sons up to? Why would Jon refuse to help the Freys loyal to the crown? Why would Mable still be loyal to the crown if Jon didn't help her? All in all, there needs to be quite a bit more explicit details and exploration of motivation and personality.

I understand that it's probably a work in progress, that's just my thoughts on what I see so far. This is not meant to discourage you at all.

@Nightwing95 Great sheet, you are accepted. My one minor nitpick is that I don't think non-rulers get the roman numerals after their names. IIRC that only happens if someone becomes ruler and their namesake was also a ruler.

@Gowi Well the nuts and bolts of the situation is largely subject to collaboration between the players. What is Jaime Lannister's fate? Brienne of Tarth's? Jorah Mormont? Who did Brandon Stark marry? Arya? Sansa? What's the status of House Frey? Is House Bolton bouncing back? Who are the other members of the Small Council? What other big rivalries and conflicts are boiling over? All other kinds of specific details. Details like that are important but are ambiguous and undecided in what is essentially my high concept summary of the potential future. Notice I pretty much gloss over the particulars of nearly 25 years of history in Westeros to allow room for that kind of collaboration. But big elements somewhat have to be nailed down since the RP is both set in the future and is also a blend of Show/Book canon, and something of my attempt to merge elements of the two continuities. Shireen was then envisioned as dead since the RP draws from both continuities.

I thought it would be best to lay down a solid foundation for the players to then build on. I didn't really think it'd be great to leave open the question of who would sit on the Iron Throne and big details like that. In my opinion, leaving so much up in the air at the start would have really delayed the start of the game and possibly killed it as people debate about whether or not Jon, Dany, Aegon, Stannis, Tommen, or whoever should sit on the Iron Throne. I also thought quibbling over what elements from the show should and shouldn't be canon would get really tedious. Especially since in most cases like Shireen, they will almost certainly die in the books as well. Creating a high concept summary to try and reconcile the two continuities seemed neater. My GMing style in the past has mostly been for me to help build something of a sandbox and then let the players decide the direction and details of the story and world. That's just my view on it but I understand completely what you're saying.

That said, I'm still open to hearing your ideas for your Shireen concept. And yes if she is alive, she'd be in her mid-thirties at this point.

EDIT: Dredigan suggested to me perhaps that since she was sacrificed to R'hllor, it isn't completely far-fetched that the magic of R'hllor was also used to bring her back in the "modern day" of the RP. It could potentially add an interesting facet to her character and some very interesting opportunities for interaction or conflict in the game. What are your thoughts?
@Gowi that's a really interesting idea! Since this is based off of a blend of show/book canon, Shireen was originally sadly unavailable for play. Instead Edric Storm and the other surviving bastards were legitimized to continue the House, with Edric as the Lord Paramount.

If you're willing to play as Edric, then no change is necessary. But I'll collaborate with Dredigan, they're my Co-GM, and see what they think about possibly letting you play Shireen. We'll mull it over and get back to as quick as possible with our thoughts. I would normally say yes, but the issue here is that this would open the doors for a lot of characters who would be dead in the story having their status ambiguous and that could potentially make things quite messy if players want to come in, rez a character who had been considered dead before, and somewhat wreck the continuity. Or perhaps we could allow it on an individual basis. Either way, I will definitely get back to you soon.

What other changes were you thinking over?
@bloonewb Oh yeah, I'm really curious to see how it turns out! Remember you can play the whole family, or at least the important members of it, not just one person. Though I suppose they'd all be Ramsay's children.
@bloonewb I'd certainly be interested in seeing what House Bolton gets up to after the loss of their seat and title. And if they'll be as hostile to the Starks as the previous generation was.
@bloonewb Interesting, is he going to be a member of House Bolton?
@Masterkeun Well your PC doesn't necessarily have to be the leader of the house. It could be useful for you to have multiple POVs in different situations and areas. Especially since House Frey is undoubtedly the most populous house inn the kingdoms. It's up to you of course, unless another player comes in and wants to RP House Frey, in which case you two could collaborate.
@Nightwing95@DrunkasaurusRex@Masterkeun@Dredigan@Xyo@bloonewb Ok, OOC is up! No rush on finishing a character sheet, but we'll start as soon as you all have your characters ironed out.

Masterkeun, that's a cool concept but you could also play House Frey as a whole if you wished to. Would Sam be pretending to be a Reachman then if her name is Sam Flower?


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