Oh don't worry they're just terrorist sleeper cells LUL
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I’ve worked min wage jobs and I’ve done the bare minimum and have still gotten the measly ten cent raises yearly and good references from them. There really is no point, bare minimum gets you by.
This has nothing to do with that. It's not okay to be an asshole to anyone. If you have conflict with the person, fine, petty conflicts happen. But to just throw out the general blanket statement that it doesn't matter if you're an asshole to a Mod because they're a Mod? No, no it is not.
We're not discussing whether it is okay to be an asshole or not. I'm pretty sure almost everyone agrees that you should be courteous and nice and all that instead of being an ass.
I said you should attempt to help the person regardless of whether or not they're an asshole to you if they have a real issue.
If it seemed I was condoning the behavior then I'll say it now, I don't and never claimed to.
It's why I personally warned the people in GCS over the official drama and advised grim not to post the thread she made at all. Again, I don't condone the behavior.
Can you give me a series of examples so that an average wait time can be established? Something like-- "PM A, sent on 5PM Wensday, received a reply at XHour on Y Day." Also, please note the subject of each message so we can place the reply time into context.
Never said there was a reasonable time period.
I simply said they should reply to them when they had the time like any other user despite their attitude.
<Snipped quote by Nytem4re> I didn't say that it's okay for a moderator to ignore, or delay their response to, reports. I said that I agreed with Odin's sentiments about moderators being "open to talking to everyone whenever they are available regardless of their personal opinion of said person, because that's what they're there to do." Then I implied that I wouldn't be surprised if they delayed their responses to members with significant records.
Then I stand corrected. Although I still don't agree it should be considered normal to disregard someone based on personal opinion or records.
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Uh, yes, it does.
I'm afraid I disagree. From my time as GCS mod I did my job regardless of their opinion of me or my opinion of them. If anything if you feel your personal opinion towards them is too strong then the least you can do is direct them to another mod rather than delaying a response or ignoring them. I did this myself in on one or two cases where I felt I would be too biased. I am human too and I know you can't like everyone but it's your job really.
<Snipped quote by Odin> I never said that it's okay for moderators to not respond to reports. Let me repost our exchange:
You: "Communication skills of the community itself. I have tried numerous times to open communication channels but (in the case of me talking to mods) I either get ignored, get talked to in a condescending manner, or I just get promises that are not followed up on. This is my own experience so perhaps others have had more luck. The original comment was talking more about the entire community as a whole but I've not felt like there was any place where I could even 'improve' my communication skills."
Me: "Perhaps there's tension between you and some of the moderators, which makes them less inclined to speak with you. I haven't had any problems with talking to them about various site-related topics, but that's just my experience."
You: "I would like to think moderators are open to talking to everyone whenever they are available regardless of their personal opinion of said person, because that's what they're there to do."
Me: "I'd also like to think so. But, I'd also like to think that the police would always respond as quickly as possible to each and every emergency call, no matter how significant of a criminal record certain callers possess. I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this."
You: ".. I can't, you're just proving my point - you expect the police to react accordingly regardless of this persons' background. Just because it doesn't happen doesn't make it right."
Me: "Should you become a staff member, would you be alright with me attempting to engage with you in the manner that you've engaged with Ruby? If so, I'll be sure to publicly criticize you if you retain your ghost status, whenever you act in a condescending manner, and each time you insult me and my abilities. Not only that, I'll repeatedly question your capacity as a staff member, condemn you for not meeting my arbitrary definition of activeness, and constantly bring up lists of potential improvements that could be made with regards to the forum, chat, and staff. We'll see how quickly you respond to each of my reports."
It doesn't matter if you're an asshole to a moderator. It's not an excuse to simply ignore them for a while until you feel like dealing with the problem.
I expect every police officer to help out BLM or the KKK even if they hate their guts. You don't get to selectively do your job just because you don't like the person or the way they act. As a moderator you should be able to do your job indiscriminately.
While you didn't say mods didn't have to reply to reports you did say they could ignore them for a time if you were being "an asshole" to them, which is just one step away from not doing your job. Yes I would expect Odin if he was a moderator hypothetically to reply to any problem you had as if you were any other user and not catchamber.
And I'll add something else I haven't seen discussed much. I still feel like moderators should be on the same page to an extent. I know every single one is different but that's where the problem lies.
Because one mod will ban if you do a certain thing, but it's fine if another mod is online.
Or one mod will take action against someone else reported but another will simply tell you that it isn't something they will take action against.
Wouldn't it be a time saver to just instruct mods what you want to be considered offenses or not? It feels strange that mod actions contradict each other for some reason.
Nor are the preceding posts that triggered the comment.
If you & co refuse to see why the stance and attitude you adapt is causing you to be taken less seriously, it's not my issue. Just don't be surprised when the same people will continue not to take you seriously.
Ah, the entire "I didn't start it but I'll continue it anyway".
Please. The entire reasoning behind "They started it first" is a poor excuse to commit the same behavior. Should I start keying someones car because they did it to mine first? No.
Don't be surprised when I don't take you seriously when you make juvenile excuses. If you actually have something substantial to comment, I'm fine with taking you seriously then.
Except I've cleared up some misunderstandings about my actions, if you went back a few pages. I've engaged with Rilla and such. I've also replied to melonhead.
You can dismiss what we say, i really don't care. I'm not going to stop you from doing that.
But you can't claim
"Yes, the victim trend is becoming rather strong, isn't it."
Is a reasonable or logical response to advance the thread.
Yes, the victim trend is becoming rather strong, isn't it.
Except the last time a similar thread was made, people screamed about the same thing, offering little commentary or the repeated commentary about how the people supportive of the thread were being "sensationalist" or "a vocal minority". Even though me and j8cob were banned unjustly, people decided to attack our character and claim we were just whiny babies in the spotlight despite the fact that we weren't the ones who made the thread.
And it's happening again. Rather than attack the contents of the thread people come in and attack reputations.
It's akin to me telling anyone who disagreed with me or parts of the thread as "half-wits who blindly follow orders and can't think for themselves". It doesn't add much to the conversation. (and is simply jumping to hasty conclusions made with little to no evidence)
If you're just going to sit here and make baity replies then just leave. Other people have stated the same viewpoint more logically.
Yes, we know you don't like this thread, or many of the suggestions made. If so, say your piece and be done with it. Stop going on a tangent about your supposed view of any of the people supportive of this thread. We know already, you're just repeating the same rhetoric over and over again. It's not as if you've added much to the conversation with that quote.
@Nytem4re Who said I wasn't taking it as a joke? I literally use it to take the piss out of people. Being called a not real mod int enough to trigger me. More likely to make me chuckle than anything.
Sure I guess. But I didnt feel like dming you about anything cuz you seemed to not really care at all, so i just went to a mod who seemed like they would care more. Not because "rilla isnt a real mod"
Had the same route to Ruby been taken with me, it would have been handled. Once it stays public, it's less a plea for moderation and turns into a shit slinging contest. As I said before, any issue brought to me in PM has been handled, including an appeal for a warning overturn. I could have handled it better, but it wasn't like it was handled fine by all parties involved anyway. Then again, Nyte says I'm not a 'Real' mod, so that's probably why he went to Ruby instead of sending me a message. Or whatever he reason was.
Despite my claims of laziness, people have had little issue coming to me with reports and all on Discord. My PM box here and there are eternally open, and so far aside from me not handling that issue, I don't think there has been any issue with how I handle reports, at all. Unless they are just not brought up in my presence.
I only went to ruby because you said you were being too lazy, so I assumed you were actually busy? Not to mention you were telling me to get a real mod or someone else so I assumed you didnt care either?
I mean you literally said I'm not going to deal with it just block him.
Like... I get you're joking and stuff I guess but when you go on a tangent about how lazy you are I'm just going to find another mod who will give me a non joking reply?
And for someone who said he jokes about being lazy you can't take a joke about you being a real mod? Wat?
Having personal issues with people or organisations is also a great way to blinker yourself and ignore the real reason why you're campaigning for change. Being completely oblivious to your personal biases is plainly foolish, and expecting other people to overlook them even more-so.
At no point did I state Odin was on a moral crusade, I did argue he likens himself to a freedom fighter as he says he has had to fight not to be branded as a terrorist, I will not insult you by explaining the correlation there and the link I am drawing.
At no point did I assume Nyte hated the site, I was however aware that he had been banned before, rightly or wrongly, I perceived that his motivations for seeing problems with moderation would very likely be influenced by that experience, an experience not shared by the vast majority of RPG members, who haven't been banned. See how this would cause me to find his viewpoints as representative problematic?
The point is, if I decry 'you people' it's because most of you, at least seem, like a very select and vocal minority on RPG who have, for the most part, all had your run ins individually with the administration of RPG, and I strongly suspect that your motivations are intrinsically linked with those experiences. In short, I'd like to see someone who has proven they can co-operate and work with moderators and engage in realistic and respectful dialogue with them be a spokesperson for the guild. Not you guys, to be honest.
But it's not a perfect world. Ideally, if this matter concerns the general populace of RPG, they'll engage with this chat and it won't become just another echo chamber. However, considering the toxicity that seems to bubble beneath the surface here, I think they'll likely stay far away. Time will tell.
You made a lot of assumptions on your own really.
Using your logic, can I assume because you're mostly an arena/advanced role player you're not the average representation of a roleplayer on RPG, so stop replying to this thread?
Because the average number of roleplayers go to casual and not arena or advanced. One only needs to look at how many people are viewing the forum on the front page.
We both know that would be an unfair assumption/conclusion to make. Like the one you're making about these "vocal minorities".
Have you been banned for a misdemeanour in the past? I don't want to make assumptions, but in that case you'd still fit under the umbrella of people who I would assert have a bias against the moderation. I'm not saying your opinions or ideas are irrelevant even if that were the case, but neither could you really blame me for my scepticism or assertion that you may not be representative of an average guild member.
Hank is one person, albeit a moderator. If he wants to argue why he thinks the descriptors are unsuitable, I'm all ears. I think it's a pedantic concern, personally.
What do you mean by a misdemeanour? That could mean a variety of things given it's definition.
Also, the comment about hank was to dispute the fact that Odin is just living in an echo chamber disregarding what other people think.
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