Penny

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You can be pretty sure you are dealing with exactly the sort of person this policy is aimed at.

@Penny

I should take some responsibility, I was fairly certain this was the case to begin with.

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I did manage to get past the first paragraph of tortured prose where you attempted to dismiss all trans people as mentally ill.

Once you get to the:

The entire "transgender rights" argument is bunk

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

You can be pretty sure you are dealing with exactly the sort of person this policy is aimed at.

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The entire "transgender rights" argument is bunk

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

And we are done here. Dog whistle successful I guess.

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Maybe you should, I don't know. Prove anything, you say or think. Just throwing that out there.

@SleepingSilence

Maybe you should make 99.99 percent sure before you throw something out there. Just throwing it out there.

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Just how large do you believe the proposed "transphobic base" is? We have had this conversation before, but the general field of people who are transgender is a measly .6% of the entire population in the United States, totaling to around 4% of the adult population who are some sex or gender other than typical. Even if there were ten times more transphobic people than actual transgender people, that is still a nothing 6%. It would take around one hundred times more to be relevant in any real matter and I am going to go out on a limb and say that some 60% of the population isn't transphobic. This is essentially a non-argument and sounds good in theory if it were not totally irrational.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

Are you suggesting that because the number of trans people is small their rights dont matter? That discrimination against them isn't real and pervasive. It is a little hard to parse that paragraph.

Seeing we are pulling numbers out of the ether, roughly 50 percent of Americans are against trans people using the bathroom consistent with their identity. Therefore 50 percent of American are at least slightly transphobic. I know this is confusing to some people in this thread but transphobia, like gender, exists on a spectrum. I'm also willing to bet that transphobia skews with ideology and that more conservatives express transphobia than liberals (although some might whine at being labeled like that because they are easily triggered). Actually I dont have to bet because pew helpfully conducted a survey http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/08/transgender-issues-divide-republicans-and-democrats/.

Just for the sake of argument, lets take your 60 percent of people aren't transphobic figure as though it were real. That means that 40 percent of people are, skew that ideologically and you are looking at a significant base of people. Pushing for a trans ban in the military plays well with the republican base even though, as the Rand study Obama was relying on says, the effects of Trans people serving is likely minimal.

Come to think of it didn't you say sexism dosen't exist at some point?

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Yes, much so, @Penny, do you have anything to back your opinion on the topic you yourself posted or not? I am all for debating the invalidity of validity of defense policy as you can probably tell, but if some of us are perfectly happy to dodge it, no point in my bothering. I mean it is not as though the argument of it being "trash" policy can be debunked in a few minutes or by anyone remotely familiar to it, let alone capable of reading an official report on it by the Department of Defense, or - actually, hold for a moment. Yes, yes it is that easy. Now if you wish to challenge those facts that is another issue entirely, but hence why I ask. Anything to actually add?

In addition, to your added post, where and when has anyone here advocated against women in the military? Please specify as I would like to know. Last I recall, I personally advocated any female who can meet the fitness and mission requirements be allowed to compete in the same arena, so long as none of those were lowered from the male, thus equivalent, standards.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

I'm implying that the exact same arguments have been invoked for women serving and for gays serving. How will unit cohesion survive?! This is just for the benefit of the trans-phobic base. Anyone who meets the physical standards should be able to serve. Period.

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Hey rehash all the tired no women in the military arguments but just substitute for Trans that should save some time.

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Slink away? I'm still here as you can probably tell.

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Turns out dog whistles work on cats. I expected nothing less.

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I had noticed that the US military crumbled into ineffectiveness since trans people were allowed to serve openly. Lucky this totally non transphobic policy came along to reverse the complete collapse of American Military Power!