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They say it's about the journey, not the destination. This is true of many things. Pizza delivery is not one of them.
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TFW you know what you want to happen but the words aren't cooperating. Why is plot suddenly so much harder to write?
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8 yrs ago
So ded. Cannot brain. Just one massive poorly coordinated and balance-lacking headache. But don't send help. I don't want to people either. X.x
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Glad to see I'm not the only follower of Lord Cato, god of wisdom, on this most auspicious Superb Owl Sunday.
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I am an adult, though I don't usually act like it. I'm a voracious reader, and not overly picky about books. I am artistic in a variety of areas, including music, drawing, writing, and sculpting. I have a minor obsession with dragons, and love the color violet. Fantasy is my preferred genre, be it past, future, urban...as long as it has a fantasy flavor to it. I also like scifi, mystery, and some horror. I am crazy, and I like tormenting my characters. But I don't bite...much. ^.~


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@Lovejoy I meant the vials in my last post, not a person's actual ether. ^.^;;

Gonna be out for most of the day, but I"m cooking ideas!
*flailing* I KNOW THERE'S STUFF THAT STILL NEEDS WORK AND EDITS I DIDN'T MAKE BUT IT'S ONE AM AND I'M NOT SRUE WHERE MY ATTENTION WENT. And also bedtime. So I'm dropping this here, and will work on it more most likely tomorrow. ^.^;;



@Lovejoy Aaah, I see. I was figuring ether vials were required for basic magic, that animals were not a good source of ether, and...a few other things. If the vials aren't needed for basic combat, then yeah, letting her actually /use/ that is an issue. Maybe she can use some sort of negation to mess it up so it's weaker or something. ^.^;; As for replenishing her own ether...well there is the whole issue of getting it inside her, but she might be able to refill her vials? I'm going to have to toy with this, and figure out how I want to work this. Draining people is very costly, and I would *think* draining a nearby vial would not be -- since she has her own vials she can use, after all. There needs to be something to keep people from using other people's stored reserves or that'd be the first goal of any priest vs. priest battle....Eh, I might just leave her with the basic negation and have the draining thing be something that she would use as a last resort. I will think on it! I'm tired and just plain babbling now. @.@

She's Omestrian, or at least her ether is, so it packs a considerable punch. I didn't realize that the spells using the vials were superpowered. I did want to trade off most of her lesser skills (most of the standard stuff -- she's actually not bad at all at generating heat so a personal aegis might very well work, and countering attacks as with the paling falls under a function of force -- so she can, but she has to go about it differently. Her paling itself is pretty weak, but she can use force to counter incoming attacks in much the same way. Summoning spellblades and sustained enhancement are not in her wheelhouse, nor could she steady her aim directly (she'd need to make herself warm instead, but that's rarely an issue). Enhancing her endurance is also out in all but the most dire of circumstances -- she could for a short while, but the cost to her is far higher than to most others, so she'd be helpless after. I'd say 15-30 minutes, tops. She did a lot of exercising to make up for this.

If there's shields and such, I'm far more comfortable letting her throw people around and blow things up with impunity. And sure, if she used a vial spell she could totally take out a tank. A drop from a vial probably is enough to let her punch right through palings, and that's probably what she uses it for most. I'll work on this more later too. *collapses on the keys and goes to sleep*

@Lovejoy hmmm. Well, if you have to have a vial of ether to use magic, then we have a lot of stray magic going off in children that makes little sense. And if a small amout of ether can supply a household for a year, and an inquisitor can use that up in /one/ attack...supporting armies just isn't feasible large scale without a vast number of slaves. Even Varya starts to strain credibility, and the other nations, including Lanostre, are suddenly unable to support any kind of strong fighting force.

Given that an actual fight consists of lots and lots of attacks, and that most of our inquisitors are using magic in one form or another with each attack or defense, a scant few vials of ether doesn't go very far. Enhance one spear thrust? quarter vial of ether. catch a strong blow, that's another quarter. Knock the guy down, that's your first vial drained. It's extremely inefficient.

I agree that Ziotea couldn't /keep/ any ether she drains. She has to release it, and she has to do so immediately. That means she can't just sap someone's totem and leave them dry unless she can release the resultant force somewhere, and she's not going to be able to control that force well (if at all). However, if she just wants to blow something up? There's no reason why pulling ether from that sort of place wouldn't work.

Given that everyone in Varya uses ether harvested from slaves (who all must have a type, and they aren't all Omestri because we know traitors and really bad criminals end up in there too), and that there aren't many Varyans of Omestri descent, this means that the ability to uses ether from another source isn't tied to the type. However a transfusion would be, as your body must accept it, and be able to keep it.

Think of Ziotea as AB+. She can use any type of blood that humans make. It gets a bit wonky because Omestri are probably 0-, but...we already said wonky science is a thing, and this is an analogy anyhow.

Also, if you can't drain ether from others, then how the heck is ether supplied in the first place? The machines came after the magic, and the magic must have been used by someone. That means there is some way for a person to take another person and pull out their ether. I imagine how severe the damage done depends on how much is taken -- given that the slaves are there for ether draining as much as they can to reach the peak ratio of ether per amount of time spent recovering, they obviously are drained a lot farther than anything Ziotea would be doing. Then again, this was back when I thought a little ether went a long way, that the vials were not 100% necessary (there should be a level of etheric exertion that is comfortable for a highly trained individual before exhaustion becomes an issue, just like with any other form of exertion), and that using one's own ether was tapped at a rate similar to that of what I thought a vial was (considerably more than it apparently is). I figured it was a decent tie-in to unpredictable strength, control issues, and a nullification ability, with the added fun of having something Rodian and Ziotea could experiment with, but if that's not the case then I'll discard it. Naturally she would have started out able to use it only in very minute amounts, which would mean she tired easily the first year or two until she figured out what was going on and learned to do it better.

If you want to handle the fact that the drained ether types and the casters' types don't match, perhaps each priest must tune their vials/totems/whatevers, and they do so in advance. It takes time, but it means they can use that ether as easily as they can their own. Untuned ether isn't as effective, and costs additional energy, so there's really no reason not to. Tuning might even be done like a signature -- everyone's is different. Powerful casters probably could use someone else's totems, but they'd need to be desperate, as the exertion to counter that tuning is considerable -- just shy of draining a human, most likely, as extracted ether undergoes a purification process so that it can be used. Because Ziotea can nullify the effects of ether, she can bypass someone else's tuning, and use it in a raw state....ehhh, the idea is breaking down a little. "surrounding sources" means "other people's totems, and any untuned vials (like in machinery)", and draining other people in a fight is never going to be an effective technique....*waffles*

I'm just spitballing here, really. Hm, what looks good out of this mess?

Lessee,,,

Extracted ether is purified, "raw" ether isn't as effective as that tuned to one's self, using one's own ether is risky as the closer you are to empty the weaker you get. Untuning/retuning a vial is most likely feasible, but it'd take a bit longer than the initial tuning. A few minutes, nothing major, but enough that you can't go around doing it in the middle of a fight. And it allows vials to be passed from one person to another based on who needs them. Common sense dictates that if anyone can use an untuned vial, one does not wish to leave them lying around. I imagine physical proximity is necessary. Ziotea can use her skill for nullification to get around the issue of ether signatures and tuning, letting her make use of other people's stored reserves at a level slightly less than she'd be able to use raw reserves. She must use her own personal ether for this spell, meaning she does not do so without good reason.

This sound good?

Anyhow, the idea was less to make Ziotea able to KO others by draining them, and more for depriving them of stored external reserves, although she'd need to spend some quantity of her own to do so (the amount needed for a cast of nullification). I'm up to it being her own personal ether as opposed to what she has in a totem, that sounds reasonable. It means she's had to learn not to do it unless she wants to. It'd also flip her negation ability to something a bit easier (as long as the magic is right near her, mostly offensive spells targeting her or enhanced attacks; other stuff is still difficult and draining) and place ether draining as her weakest, given that it requires nullification, a good way to release the power (or perhaps an empty storage unit for transfer? ...eh, best not) and then the handling of release cast itself.

On the topic of power scaling, it doesn't matter how powerful someone is, if you can fling a metaphysical grenade right at them -- and Ziotea's learned to be quite accurate in where she sets off her blasts -- they are not going to be a threat for very long unless they can somehow negate it. I also saw concussive force as less-than-focused -- she can do pinpoint precision and shatter something, but it requires concentration that she just doesn't get in the middle of stabbing and bashing and being stabbed and bashed.

And I'm now wondering just how many vials we need to take with to be able to rely on fighting with magic outside of Varya.
@Lovejoy
>an armored tank
>able to blow apart AN ARMORED TANK

...what. I must have read that wrong. You're ...okay with this?

I mean, I suppose if she used a large portion of her externally stored ether? But I was more thinking...say, blasting down a door from across a room, at best (and usually she'd use an enhanced kick or shoulder ram, because that's simpler). The idea of someone ripping apart a tank seems...

Well it seems OP, especially if she can trigger the blast /inside/ something. What stops her from shredding a person? ...Or every single monster we come across ever?

I suppose, in theory, a tank might have an aegis around it or overlapping with it that allows her magic to work more strongly, but that still leaves the issue of other humans. If I go a step further and say that she's drawing on the tank's etheric engine, then perhaps it's workable. But even then, I think that's less making the tank explode and more making some smaller part of the engine explode, which triggers a chain reaction. If that's the kind of strength she wields normally, then she'd be able to throw opponents across a room easily, and that seemed to be treading dangerously close to OP levels.

To be fair, I imagine most of our priests are not using much of their reserve ether if they can help it, as there will be no good way to replenish it without spending more time than they can likely spare? I imagine one or more of the group (perhaps even Ziotea...though if she screws up it'd be /bad/) might be able to help recharge the totems and such if they have a source to drain, but again, time and energy. Actually, I sorta figured that extraction of ether can be done by a priest with a relatively small device, it's just not usually because the machines are not only better at it, but they don't pass out afterwards from exhaustion. Back in the day young priest probably had to take turns draining the slaves because they'd need a day of rest before they could return to training. ^.^ Of course, in that setup one priest would have the equipment to drain a bunch of slaves at once for the same expenditure of energy.

If this doesn't sound reasonable, let me know, but I needed to figure out justification for why Ziotea couldn't draw ether from others. Or perhaps she can, but trying to drain another person with the ability to use their ether (Rodion) is significantly harder...the latter does seem reasonable. The device is probably just if you wanna store the ether instead of using it right away. ^.^

Uh, the tl;dr here is that we should talk power scaling and stuffs. I haz a discord, if you like?

@Drakey I kinda do need it to be an Inquisitor of some sort, or Ziotea wouldn't have run away, and that's important. ^.^;; I'm sure some low-level inquisitor (or inquisitor in training) might be tasked with catching a thief that can make things explode. Yes? *looks from Love to Drakey and back*

Yes definitely we should get details hammered out! Discord, skype, or even pm are all good, though I've got a serious preference for the first two.

Sorry for the delay, I got sidetracked by trying to find a picture with scarring on the face. Or a better one with the eyes showing. *sigh* I'm going to stop looking because this is gonna drive me nuts and I need to learn to accept good enough.

heading home, gonna be off for a while while on the bus. X.x

@Drakey I am indeed, but I'm at work and have to keep switching from computer to kindle and back -- and it's hard to type on the kindle. ^.^;; I've got the start of it, which I suppose I could post. Picture's still at home on the desktop, though.



I figure Rodion was grabbed first, and that he insisted she be allowed to come with -- otherwise she'd have ended up an ether slave?
@Drakey They're definitely not a couple, what are you talking about? That's ridiculous!

...In short, I love it~ ^.^ Yes please, can we do this?!

Please don't go shovingdemon ether into Ziotea. You don't want the monster that will result. But I could see maybe trying to use demon ether to synthesise stronger ether. He might even be able to get away with experimenting on shoving demon ether into slaves (or omestrian ether to make them all produce the strong stuff) without making Ziotea disown him, but she would definitely tell him -- and probably just him -- that she finds it distasteful. I imagine it's not only painful -- more so than having ether drained in the first place -- but also tends to result in frothing insanity, highly violent slaves that have to be restrained OE even killed, and perhaps corrupting the ether produced so it can't nbe used. Maybe it also has a high death/failure rate, and failures can be...ah, explosive? It might even produce rabid mutants!

@Drakey honestly starting it in protest fits his relationship with Ziotea perfectly. <3
@Drakey I think DM said fire as a natural phenomenon isn't...really a thing anymore. Can't make flames even with fire magic -- and there isn't any.
Ziotea is a cynic, and usually in a bad mood. She'd be happy to help in the subjugation of demons, but don't expect her to be particularly friendly without work -- and you have to understand her kind of "friendly".
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