SleepingSilence

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

If you do not like tests, perhaps you should write in sections that do not have any applications. No character sheets, no sample posts, nothing. Good luck with that.

@Inkarnate

If you're going to reply with the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears. At least mention me, so I'd be able to see it and know it's mine. The way people post of this forum, where they act extremely passive aggressive but just post "under" that person, instead of actually mentioning them correctly. Is slowly becoming a pet peeve. I asked you questions, it be nice since you engaged me to answer them...

Why do I have to apologize for making you feel like I called you something that I didn't, if it's okay to still just make vague assertions like "Oh, well you can't take tests! HA! Good luck in the real world. Nerd." And completely ignoring my examples and context.

Would if not piss you off if you waited 3 weeks for something that was suppose to take a day for an asshole to criticize you're writing, only to barely put effort in and fuck up their own limited effort? No sympathy whatsoever? Is that implying you think that was a justified response? Because you're not saying it's a bad thing...

And yes, if you constantly make mistakes in writing. What gives you the right to tell people, that their own writing isn't good enough to make it in the RP? (not directed toward you specifically. But that's a question I'd like answered.) And if it is "Well, because I'm the GM, so there" how is that not pretentious? I'm seriously asking this...

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

@ArenaSnow I again, have 5 people, clearly all involved with one another, trying to all repeat the same points. Instead of letting a conversation not feel like I'm getting dog-piled. I really do feel like I'm discussing politics.

So I think all four paragraphs of that can be boiled down to, "A CS isn't good enough to show their writing abilities and a thousand word sample post will somehow show how good a roleplayer that person is." So I ask, why if someone wrote ten paragraphs of backstory for their character. And it was written perfectly fine. That another thousand, will somehow make the difference?

I don't really think it will. I agree that CS's aren't perfect and often seem forced and flaw in their own ways. 100%. Though a sample post, likely the only post the GM or they will ever care enough to make sure has no mistakes. It still doesn't show if that person will remain active, or will be able to read other posts effectively. Or interact, or not have a shit fit if something goes different than they expect. Or improvising skills. Etc. etc.

Do you think it's still necessary to ask for a sample post, if they already have a back catalog? I'm asking a lot of questions here, but every single one of them, thus far has been completely bypassed. :I

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

@Inkarnate Sure, I could of clarified/specified my comment of pretentious. I could of been so damn literal, that someone would have still taken issue with it. Because who am I kidding with this place. But my defense would be even stronger against that person...

But not only did I provide an example of what happened giving what I said context. Aka. A guy who made me wait 3 weeks after I applied for something just to send me a one sentence reply misspelling grammar. If that isn't the type of person that screams pretentious/unintelligent. I don't know what does. And you replied to me, in such a defensive way. You could of easily disagreed with me, without trying to make it sound like I was somehow saying it to be offensive. I wasn't "attempting to insult every human on earth." That's attributing motive and intent. I was sharing an opinion on how it will come of to me from my own personal experience.

Again, it's personal experience. The generalization is not for everyone. It's for everyone I've SEEN use them. There is a difference between those two things. :I

So, what I -think- you're arguing is that you think it's absurd that anything go beyond the prescribed plot that you've already laid out in your head, as the GM. Well aside from that being horribly ineffective in D&D. It tends to not really work in RP's either. Because for starters, most GM are secretive about their plot and never tell people anything. (usually because they haven't thought that far out.) And how exactly do you expect them to follow a plot with perfection, if even you don't actually know the plot quite yet. (And because it feels like I have to explain it, you doesn't mean only you.) I think GM's that don't give people at least, a little leeway, won't be particularly fun to roleplay with. But it's just personal taste.

So, for the test post, what do you say against someone actually putting plenty of effort into the "test" because they know they have to. But will not provide the same results from now on. Do you think that doesn't happen?

On a final note, it would probably be more rational to understand why your argumentation is seen as it is rather than just having an emotional upset.

@Inkarnate

Here's a final note from me, everyone tends to make mistakes in their writing. That's why all writers have first drafts. Plus it seems like a lot of advanced section users and in general do not spellcheck their own work. So, stuff like that would really make me raise an eyebrow if these same people were forcing to give me tests that I will assume, if flawed in anyway. I won't be accepted because that's the post they will look at. So unless the person dishing out tests, is also read/correcting every post in their RP. It feels like it was just a waste of time, for the person involved. I mean do you correct every mistake you see? I know plenty of people get offended really fucking easily, so does that worry your image and how you're perceived? So when you're bound to make a mistake....like that sentence.

People will point that out to you and question, why they weren't allowed in the group because of mistakes in their "test" writing. That person will not only feel like they wasted their time writing a CS, possibly having to edit their CS's multiple times. But do a piece of writing, possibly several thousand words long. Get booted for having three or four spelling and grammar errors. Then watch the RP have mistakes, but nothing done about it. THEN the person giving them that test, also making mistakes and nothing getting done about it. Maybe (or on this forum nearly assuredly) die within 2 weeks. Which will make that person wonder, what was even the point?

But yes, I understand that you feel like I called you and others you may know 'pretentious', I reacted defensively to match intensity. Because I didn't. But I still disagree that tests don't lead to complications and aren't particularly fun for anyone involved and often are pointless...Making a failed CS that isn't accepted, change it a little and maybe someone else will like them. Fail to make a test writing? Congratz you wasted your time.

For the GM, I feel like if you can't figure out if they can write if they have ten paragraphs of backstory. And you still need them to write another thousand words? I suppose nothing wrong with being thorough. But I ask when does that thoroughness end? Will you accurately correct yourself and others, so you live up the exceptions that the test forced to lay out? Possibly coming off in a negative way. Or was that all that there is? "Who cares if I mistype something or the friend I invited misspells a word on our collab. I'm the GM. I'm better than everyone else, it's my story, so there!"

I'm not exaggerating that the 2nd half of the sentence, is a real sentence a GM has actually typed before during an argument. So I apologize for coming off strongly (and possibly making you emotionally react) and maybe it's just me, but my experience isn't as flawless, as it seems to be for others or you. I don't think it's crazy that roleplays, no matter (how focused or often unfocused), will be perfectly linear with no possible different direction than I'm expecting. I've also not had any person keep up the facade that they demand perfection while also seeming like the type of person I'd willingly ever spend time with. <.<

Do you know what 'reconnaissance' means?

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Yeah. I know someone called SleepingSilence, who should know that it's should HAVE not should of. Or, if you want to be really specific, should've, because it's a contraction between should and have.

@BrobyDDark

Guy sounds like a prick.

I salute you fellow Grammar Nazi. Though I said word they didn't know. So you broke the rules. :P

Also, this meme I created is practically a national treasure, I think I love it more every time I see it. So thank you.

The 'Explain The Appeal Of......' Thread

8. Don't watch this kid anime crap. Watch Hai to Gensou no Grimgar a.k.a Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better in every aspect while the main themes are the same but everything is conveyed waaaaaaaaaaaay more realistically.

@Bishop

@Bishop
Ugh, I wouldn't want my kids seeing Sword Tentacle Porn Art Online.

To be fair, realism and anime usually don't go hand in hand for a reason. :P

But just being curious, have you seen Log Horizon? :3

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

Yeah, no. It isn't pointless and a sample post is often a better measure than a lengthy sheet. You attempting to insult every GM who values sample posts is fun and all, but it really is nothing more than a fallacy with a weak fundamental argument. It’s actually more pretentious to elevate your opinions on what is and isn’t valuable in an application for a RP than asking someone to write an in-character post to show competence.

@Inkarnate

Lordy lord. Just how I feel and how I see them being used often poorly and by people who aren't particularly intelligent themselves. Usually CS's should suffice as the sample itself. Seriously, why wouldn't it? You don't need to take it as an argument, or call it a fallacy...it's not a political debate. Trying too hard. Not everything is debate worthy. It's called an opinion, in a 'bitchfest' thread. Lighten up. One person's opinion isn't automatically worth "elevating" yourself over their "elevated" thought on a particular subject.

If you use them, in spite of people having perfectly solid CS's AND a back catalog you could check yourself if not unbelievably lazy. Fine, it's just my belief. Coming from no fallacy, but constant personal experience in people who asked for it. I'm bitching about my personal annoyances. >.> I didn't think I had to clarify that since that's the thread's entire point.

Sorry, for biting back. Just seems hypocritical to take somebody's personal view/generalization, and make it a personal thing like it's some sort of attack on you.

If you think they're awesome, fantastic. Isn't any less right or wrong than my opinion. Still stands that I would never bother doing sample writing ever again. From my experience, that's how they all were. <.<

Going with the flow and roleplaying, ya know the best part of it. Is less likely to be the case if you have to take a test beforehand. So yes, again in my opinion. Forcing players to write a CS AND a sample post. (especially if not new/lacking in a back catalog.) Shows that person will likely NOT be able to handle something going wrong or a little different than they're expecting. Because that person is displaying controlling tendencies right off the bat. So it's not just some random insult, it's a preview of the GM's behavior. <.<

Men vs. Women Race to 1000

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Do you know what 'reconnaissance' means?

If you google that. For shame.

Felt like describing a pointless story. A couple days ago, while driving around with my parents to a friend's place. My mom looked back and asked "Do you know what reconnaissance means?" and for some reason, I had a brain fart at that moment and immediately got the word 'Renaissance' stuck in my head, so it took me like 30 seconds to accurately tell them what it meant. Which was frankly embarrassing, because I knew it the first second. But I guess that's what it's like being put on the spot.

But even worse was apparently, her entire college class she teaches, didn't have a clue what the word was either. Had zero idea. I feel like humanity is slowly declining...(just kidding, I knew long before this.)

If you're reading this and didn't know what that word means, I won't judge you much. :D

So just so I didn't just waste 10 seconds of your life. Go ahead and tell me and everyone else if you had any similar experience of someone not knowing a word, that they really should of learned in their English classes.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

Doing CS work is sort of necessary for a multitude of reasons. Similar to how school classes in general is beneficial for a job, the actual skills themselves will almost never actually help you in your job's field. However, it shows your future "employer" that you had the determination to finish it.

Which is pretty much the only reason I would require the CS. It also helps keep track of your characters, like a mini-cheat sheet. If you're doing a lot of RP's at the same time. (and if it takes you 20 years to make it, you're probably aren't going to be that active when it comes to roleplaying in a group.)

Granted like it's already been stated, a good CS doesn't equal a good roleplayer. Sometimes it just means the person can write. (Some people that do seem to love making CS's more than actually roleplaying, probably should go into writing instead. But I digress.)

But at the very same time. The usual rules and process of making these (at least on this forum) has never actually given me the ability to tell if someone was a good writer or not. And more often than not shows me how unqualified people are to run their own campaign. Making nitpicks that you completely allow for somebody else. Not following you're own written RP rules. Not knowing your own rules. Not writing those rules then bitching because someone was creative and you didn't think of it. <.<

I don't understand the mindset that everyone already has, including it basically being an unwritten rule, that really if you're remotely competent is one of the few rules you need. "The GM has the final say." If you already have all of this power, and people that join shouldn't be stupid enough to not know this. I know so many GM's win arguments in the OOC by going "I win because I have the final say." So why can't these people think outside of the box? And have that mentality in the IC as well.

Why spend a week debating on a power you want to tweak/nerf, that the player doesn't want to or maybe doesn't even know how to effectively? Just start the roleplay, if the player is reaching too far on accident, throw a wrench. If it's on purpose, punish them! You're the GM, act like one! I swear the fact that any RP needs the guild line "don't god-mod plz." only means they don't know how to handle possibly more abnormally powerful characters.

If you join an RP or play D&D, the old rule will always remain. "Don't fuck with the Dungeon Master." So if players have ever role played before, they already understand this. Now all you need to do as a GM, is run you're campaign. You should already have the answers in your head. Sorry, I went off on a tangent. <.<

Oh, while I'm at it. Sample writing is just about the most pointless thing on the face of the earth. (Especially, if they aren't new and already have previous posts.) Please never actually do this if you're running a campaign, you will look pretentious. Nor should you bother writing one if somebody asks you too. You're RPing to have fun. You don't/shouldn't need to write a goddamn resume.

Plus, even if you do. (like an idiot.) You'll just get some jackass to tell you after 3 weeks longer than it should of. "That your 'grammer' is off."

What Are You Listening To?

I'll eventually stop playing all of "The Dear Hunter" songs on repeat-But it was just a wave crashing over us!

Just gave this album a listen, yep it's depressing. It's good. Non-singing aside.