SleepingSilence

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@mdk Uberconservative means about as much as the alt-right does. :P I'd still argue till the day I die, it was the religious extremism. Which the left partook in back when they could admit christian's weren't just right wingers and the most liberal places on earth voted for Prop 8. (I also argue people like that are actually catholic in faith. Because it fits so much better into, judging everyone whose different or otherwise.) Not economic left/right politics. Maybe authoritarianism, if you need a label for it.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Dynamo Frokane I wasn't turning this into an argument. ;3

Also, mentioning there's more killing of fictional 'brown' people. Kind of misses the forest from trees of 'i can't believe x group is offended' don't ya think? :P

Saying it's not a new idea. In video games, or otherwise. But it doesn't need to be...Also the tv trope doesn't really even specify in video games, so very rarely has a good long list of them in any trope you see. Just giving you the idea, the 'tropes' around rednecks have been around for quite a long time.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Crimson PaladinIt just looks like a bad pun to me, sure mildly political. But it annoys me that people actually will whine and be hyper sensitive about stuff like that, regardless of side. I guess them purposefully tying it to real life events and the hysteria of everyone who disagrees with me equals nazi and fist. Misses the point, because in the real world it's a genuine problem.

But it's always been a video game, ABOUT killing -not- nazi's This is not shocking, nor worth raging about. <.<

@Dynamo Frokane There's always been kind of a "don't fuck with hillbillies" thing in movies, true usually thriller or horror movies, but it's elsewhere too. Or the texas/cowboy or corrupt big wig hick stereotype.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/C…

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/H…

But again, I say let them eat cake. If it's a good product. That's really all that should matter.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

On the topic of Wolfenstein II and Far Cry 5, here's my more detailed take on it.

Far Cry 5's reaction seemed to come about as a reaction to the title art, before the details of the game's plot had been unveiled. It was a premature reaction for sure, and naysayers should've waited until learning about the game's actual premise before deciding whether or not they have a problem with it. I personally think the most amusing about this fiasco, however, is when the NeoGAF crowd and their ilk got upset and lost interest in the game upon learning that the antagonists weren't simply white midwestern bible thumpers like everyone had prematurely assumed. I don't know if people continued to ignorantly complain about it after the game's premise was elaborated on, but if they did, that's pretty dumb of them.

Wolfenstein II's marketing was probably in both poor taste given the tensions of the recent election and, in my opinion, a poorly conceived attempt to be hip and current, but the anti-SJW crowd shouldn't have reached so far to take offense when none was intended. The media misrepresented the outrage to make it seem like the naysayers were objecting to the killing of Nazis, rather than the perception that they were being wrongfully equated to Nazis, but it doesn't excuse getting upset over what should've have been nothing.

@Crimson Paladin

I don't know how Wolfenstein 2 marketed. (Seems to be purposely aiming for the same pandering as "the golden circle" was, just doing a quick search.)

But Far Cry putting their villain on their box was bitched about in 4 too and it was just as stupid then...Sure, it's generic to have 'evil rednecks' but if they can make good villains out of them, who the fuck cares.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Dynamo Frokane You skimmed over the whole complete other part about leftist hillary clinton and the fact it's obvious my point is valid.

But, okay maybe I fucked up. It happens. (I just took your word for it and edited it out, to be fair. It doesnt take away my main point.) Blame google if that's the case. <.< I did say I didn't want to spend time elaborating on such an obvious point. It's hard to find shit when they hide and bury things or people they don't like...

I saw people talking in a thread about him supporting democrats and dead links about him supporting/backing liberal mayors. It's old shit. So I tried looking for newer things. Google sucks. And again, his actions reflect religious extremism over anything else.

complex.com/pop-culture/2014/05/10-em…

The Dance Dance Revolution Killer

Politician: Chris Murphy
Office: U.S. Senator from Connecticut
Political affiliation: Democrat
Quote: "I think there's a question as to whether he would have driven in his mother's car in the first place if he didn't have access to a weapon that he saw in video games that gave him a false sense of courage about what he could do that day."
Date: 2013

Whenever there's a tragedy, people will find a way to blame video games. It's an integral part of youth culture, and that makes it an easy target. When the Sandy Hook tragedy traumatized the nation last year, politicians like Chris Murphy latched onto violent video games as the culprit, with little grounding or evidence. As it turned out, Adam Lanza was obsessed with Dance Dance Revolution - probably not the smoking gun that anti-gaming activists were looking for. But hey, Chris - you keep doing you. Don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions.

Beware of Vulnerable, Young Men!

Politician: Joe Lieberman
Office: Former U.S. Senator from Connecticut
Political affiliation: Independent
Quote: "The violence in the entertainment culture, particularly with the extraordinary realism to video games and movies now, does cause vulnerable young men, particularly, to be more violent."
Date: 2012

When politicians don't have the facts and studies to back up their principles, never fear - they can always pull them directly from their asses. Lieberman claims that there is a link between video games and violence, but long-term studies continue to be inconclusive, and the links are non-existent or weak at best. Owning a virtual gun continues to be less dangerous than owning a real gun. Joe, instead of kicking on video games, why not talk about gun control and education? Or the stigma of mental health issues? Or economic disparity? Nah, those problems are multi-faceted and complex. Why have the difficult conversations when you can have the easy ones?

Watch Out for the Nintendos!

Politician: Newt Gingrich
Office: Former U.S. Speaker of the House, Former U.S. Presidential Candidate
Political affiliation: Republican
Quote: "And let us say to Hollywood, and let us say to the Nintendos and the other games, if you are going to be sick, we are going to find a way to protect this country from you."
Date: 1999

Newt Gingrich wants to protect Americans from video games, but maybe we should be protecting Americans from Newt. Our noble protector is dogged by ethics violations, and he has shown little concern for his 'loved' ones - he divorced his first wife Jackie while she was undergoing cancer treatment, and he cheated on his second wife Marianne before divorcing her too - soon after she was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. That's pretty "sick," Newt. Also it's 'Nintendo,' not 'Nintendos.' Was Nintendo, of all the gaming companies, the primary target of your wrath? Thank you protecting us from turtle stomping plumbers, sword wielding elves, and collectible pet monsters. We all sleep easier.

Notice a similarity? It's the old.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Dynamo Frokane Not literal. A man who uses so many memes should tell when something is a metaphor...I did just go over disingenuous things.

<.<

"Back in my hard-core churchin' days, I heard many condemnations of Pokemon as satanism."

Referring to this. Assuming this is a true story, because a shit ton of people who never were raised in overly religious lifestyle make up stories all the time online. Not making an assumption, just stating a fact.

My point was, these jackasses were all old farts who couldn't use Microsoft Excel (or hell, a computer) to save their lives.

I'm not spending time, elaborating such an obvious observation. -.-

It's not the 90's, but long before gamergate and shit. Hillary clinton was making shit like this in 2005.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Entertai…

I can't imagine she had a positive outlook in the 90's either.

jackthompson.org/archives/email_conve…

I'm sorry but reading up on this guy, blaming shooting on video games. Mirrors SJW bullshit to a tee. If he ever did register republican it's clearly in name only. He's just a zealot.

Edit: Google sucks at searching things.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Dynamo Frokane I'm not saying you were. But the conversation was about Christians thinking everything under the sun was evil. And the common thread of them, was they were apart of the older generation. Is my point. I would place doubt that it was actually political. Just zealots and fear mongers. Which existed on both sides even back then.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

In the end of the day, we can't pretend that video games are anything but products. They are produced by autonomous companies, usually in line with market trends, for an audience. If you don't like a game, regardless of how half baked your reasoning or the polical beliefs that lead you there, you have the right not to buy it. Vote with your wallet. It clearly wasn't made with you in mind, and they'll probably survive without your money. There's no such thing as a taste consensus.

@ErsatzEmperor

This does have very little to do with politics, but then again so does a lot of things here. So I comment anyway.

I just want to clarify, you can criticize a company for being purposefully controversial or greedy business practices. Fans of the medium, need to criticize the things they love if they want it to improve. Fan backlash is sometimes necessary and sometimes works quite effectively. Game related products are no exception.

The problem comes in when people that never played games and never will, boycott things they'd never would've bought in the first place, or started to make comments about the people -playing- the games. When they had shit to do with their production...It's just disingenuous political activism.

But yes, that's a step in the right direction more often than not.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

I wonder what side of the political spectrum they fell on....

@Dynamo Frokane

People that think pokemon is being used for deviant purposes I couldn't imagine what side would be so idiotic.

CNN blame Pokemon Go for Russian interference in election.

I mean no would anyone be stupid enough to say anime or manga in general could be used for deviant purposes...

CNN made a video saying all anime is child pornography, blurring covers that weren't even sexual/explicit to mislead their audience

Or...oh you get the point?

In all seriousness. It's not a battle of christian vs agnostic, left vs right...

It's old vs new.

Ya, know except all those darn sexist vidya games. Then we just get into the stupid/disingenuous category.

@Crimson Paladin Actually same message to you to. I can tell you right now. People constantly bitching about evil video games, has absolutely nothing to do with right wing hysteria.

Men vs. Women Race to 1000

354