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I originally got into forum roleplaying on the official Bethesda Game Studios Forums in 2007 or 2008. When the forums were replaced with Bethesda.net, I was one of several close-knit Fallout RPers who came here.

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@Lunarlord34
If your character is a Mayonite paladin, then perhaps she may have known my character before he became a shrine keeper.
@PaulHaynek
I don't think the IR timeline would allow for this, but it'd be a tragic irony if it turned out that Rose wasn't wanted for treason because the soldier who interrogated the bandit chief ended up getting killed by Jeremiah in a subsequent skirmish before they could report Rose's cooperation.
Fleuri Jodeau


Fleuri weaved through the crowd, with the child clinging to his sleeve and humming to herself all the way. It was easy enough for him to home in on the sweets, with the cake rising above the heads of the attendees like a beacon. His little journey nearly came to a disaster, however, when he briefly failed to keep his plate balanced and upright. Fortunately, the contents seemed to stay put long enough for him to correct it, and the knight gave out a sigh of relief that a potential disaster had been averted.

That could've been even worse than that red wine incident, he thought to himself. Spilling his plate at a formal gathering was bad enough, but if he had the misfortune to spill it on someone important, there could be consequences for him, House Jodeau, and the Iron Roses. After clearing those worries from his head, the two of them finally made it to the sweets table. The girl seemed happy with the selection, but before Fleuri could turn to return to the others, the girl spoke to him.

"Thank you! Come here, Sir Knight! I need to tell you something important," she said, leaning closer and gesturing for Fleuri to do the same. Fleuri complied, kneeling down to her level so she could speak to him. It was doubtful that whatever she had to say was important, but it was the courteous thing to do, and besides, Fleuri couldn't resist the opportunity to hear a little ballroom gossip.

"Alright, I'm listening" he whispered to her, "What do you need to tell me?"

@VitaVitaAR
I'll try to get a reply tomorrow for Fleuri.
Your immortal soul vacates your body on death! surely you must understand the sweperation of body and soul. I merely require the discarded husk you leave behind. RECYCLE ok!

Technically that's reusing. Recycling would be letting the body be consumed by scavengers or decomposers.
Here's my CS. Because some of the backstory involves existing lore for the setting, I've already discussed some of it with the GM.

While there are lot of reasons to dislike TLJ, its handling of Rey was not one of them.

That's fair. TLJ, for its many, many flaws, was willing to put Rey in danger that she couldn't Deus ex Machina her way out of.

The movie itself, the script of the movie, and the novelization of the sequel movie have all given legitimate reasons as to why Rey was able to use one single Force ability after being told how she's Force sensitive and how to let it flow through and guide her by two different people but it's rejected because in the first movie she didn't have Luke or Leia step in and go "Let me train you on our trip to Starkiller Base". Why would that have been more agreeable instead of having the villains (and a hero) remark how strong she is and her realizing that, like the great hero Luke Skywalker that even she has heard of in her backwater nowhere planet, maybe she can do something too?

Because it feels like it's being handed to her early on. Luke couldn't successfully use Telekinesis until his second movie and even then it was established to be pretty weak at the time, he and didn't pull off a mind trick until the third.

Why does Rey need training to justify a mind trick because she's a human but Baby Yoda doesn't need anything to justify more impressive feats just because he's of the same unknown race as a centuries old Jedi Master.

Because aside from what I've said, Rey is the hero of the Sequel Trilogy. It's about her journey, whereas Baby Yoda is but a supporting character in his series, of a species we know nothing about other than every previously seen member has been immensely strong in the Force, and fifty years of background we know nothing about, which means I'm willing to give it a benefit of a doubt, at least for the time being.

Yes, we saw Disney take an idea George Lucas had and run with it to give Luke Skywalker a more human characterization because the Jedi constantly deal with the dark side. Their 'superior chosen hero' literally left because she thought Kylo was the one that was going to save the day, she was wrong, messed up, and then Luke Skywalker had to be the biggest and best Jedi ever to save the day but yes let's act like Luke's development doesn't make sense or is a slap in the face instead of a natural progression of a character who for three movies was an impatient kid who only believed Vader could be redeemed in the last twenty minutes of the last movie.

That wasn't simply human characterization or natural progression. This was turning the hero of the original trilogy, the one who was to bring about the return of the Jedi Order, and one of the science fiction and space opera genres' most iconic heroes, and turned him into a failure who gave up when he hit a setback and ran from his responsibilities and went into hiding. It's not that he made mistakes, it's that he ran and hid from them and because of it, the fallout of his mistakes worsened until the galaxy went to hell. At least Yoda and Obi-Wan kept on fighting the Sith right up until things got bad enough that they couldn't continue, and even then never lost hope that they could set things right. Sure he eventually got over himself and sacrificed himself to save the day- years later, after the galaxy had gone to hell due to his irresponsible inaction. And if anything, his willingness to try and redeem his father stands in stark, insulting contrast to the foolish action that led to the destruction of his would-be Jedi Order.

Making Luke flawed and human is one thing. But turning him into the mockery of everything the character once stood for is another.
Yes, this is how The Force will seek to balance itself by having the equal to the Dark/Light rise/awaken/whatever.

Yes, but before the Sequel Trilogy, the heroes actually had to work to be able to tap into it. You're right that the Force seeks to rebalance itself and that force bonds can make it easier for someone to learn to use the Force even in the EU, a good example being KOTOR II (which was also a far better subversion and deconstruction of the setting than TLJ was). Narratively, however, it feels unsound because they basically give Rey the power on a silver platter by giving her the force bond shortcut instead of having to spend a few films working hard and having to constantly be rescued until she can stand on her own two feet so to speak, and again I reiterate that I believe that it's because the execs didn't think that Rey would be as initially marketable if they made her take as much time as Luke did in the OT to get to around his level, because they believed "morally conflicted but already capable fighter" would sell more toys than "idealistic aspiring hero who starts out with no skills other than barnstorming and creativity with a grappling line, and as a result has to be rescued constantly until the third film".

I'd argue that Rey was plenty developed in two of the three movies. Her development was just the antithesis to Luke's heroic journey archetype because for the first two movies she's refusing to accept her role in the events. There's a reason we're introduced to Rey in TFA by going through a day in her life. Rey's struggles are less physical and more internal but that doesn't mean she doesn't struggle or develop over the course of 7 and 8. It's only when 9 came around to ruin its own characterization that, well, ruined it.


The hard truth of the Star Wars movies is that apart from the two minutes in A New Hope and the, like, six minutes of Empire Strikes Back, across the prequels and the original trilogy we never actually see the protagonists train much at all because movies aren't serials and dedicating precious runtime to lengthy training arcs is meaningless. All of Anakin's training happens off screen to the point where the Anakin in TPM and the Anakin in AOTC might as well be different characters. Yes, we can infer that Luke went to Yoda for a bit in the brief time between ESB and ROTJ but Luke at the start of Jedi is announcing himself as a Jedi Knight to Jabba as if he took the community college jedi course. It only became an issue that the protagonist didn't train in the first movie because suddenly it was unacceptable that the main character, mentioned by the antagonist to be, quote "[she's] strong with the Force, untrained, but stronger than she knows.

At least we actually saw Luke training. We see Luke struggle to learn to block blaster bolts, and we see him struggle, and fail, to use telekinesis. We see him decisively defeated by Darth Vader even after this incomplete training, and it's why it's so great to see him in action for the first time in Episode 6, because of how far our farmboy has come after two movies of struggling, stumbling, brushes with death, failure, and dismemberment that he's suffered through to get there. And it took two and a half films (three if for some deranged reason we opt to include the Holiday Special) to get that far. And then Disney has the audacity to turn him into a jaded failure who sits in hiding drinking sloth milk while the mess he created continues to snowball into a bigger and bigger disaster, so they can plug their new, superior chosen hero to save the day.
As I said, we know nothing about Yoda's species, except as I've mentioned, every single one seen previously both in the old EU and the new Disney canon is that every single one was a Jedi master. They may have had centuries to train, but they were all force-sensitive, something that can't be gained by training. It makes sense for a species that is universally force-sensitive to have some sort of instinctual ability to use the Force, and is a lot more plausible than a human, a species which is not only only rarely force-sensitive, but even those that are typically require extensive training to learn to use. Maybe I'm wrong, but I still find Baby Yoda more tolerable because for all of his powers, it doesn't make him unstoppable- most of the struggles in the series are solved by the Mandalorian and his allies.

Compare Rey to Luke, or Anakin for that matter. They were also chosen ones, but they required actual training to use the Force. Prior to being taught by Obi-Wan, the only abilities they could tap into by themselves were supernaturally good reflexes and perhaps a bit of a sixth sense. True, Luke could pull his lightsaber to him on Hoth in Empire Strikes Back, but that's partially explained by a midquel novel Heir to the Jedi (in a bit of trivia, it was originally intended for the previous EU, but was folded into Disney canon, so its intentions apply to both canons) which details Luke's attempt to learn to harness the Force without Obi-Wan, and also has him try and fail to use a mind trick. By contrast, Rey is able to figure out a mind trick in about a minute without presumably having ever seen one in action, and is able to use telekinesis with enough strength to overpower Kylo's own telekinesis. And then she does herself one better by figuring out how to force heal by herself...somehow.

Rey basically gains her powers on her own with minimal lead up and no training, just because The Force wills it for some reason. The real reason is that Disney wanted a strong poster girl but didn't want to have to take the time developing her into it like was the case with Luke, who spent most of the OT being little more than a farmboy who could barely use his powers, struggling constantly and having to be rescued repeatedly. The more cynical explanation is that they simply wanted someone who was straight up superior to the Jedi hero of the OT.

I don't disparage Rey's ability to fight any more than I disparage Luke's ability to pilot. They're skills that are established early on (or at least seemingly intended to be), and they're pivotal to the respective character's success in the first movie of each trilogy. That's not what this is about. I'll admit that Anakin blowing up the Trade Federation command ship was silly and unnecessary, but it was a good example of the old EU idea of the Force having a sense of humor when it comes to chosen ones, that sometimes destiny gets silly, kind of like that anecdote in KOTOR about that guy with a great destiny...who got thrown into a reactor shaft by a warlord, which caused the ship to be destroyed and the political course of the sector to be changed for centuries to come.

While Luke's piloting ability is highly suspect, I never stopped to consider he is the kind of asshole that shoots at animals from the back of a pickup.

To be fair, Womp Rats are disease-carrying pests that also happen to be aggressive pack hunters. Imagine the Pandyssian Bull Rats from Dishonored, except they can grow to be over 2 meters each.
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