The World

Myriad Reality

Alright, guys, I want to write a nice, detailed proposition here. to agree with it, simply like the post. Do NOT reply.

Alright, here goes nothing:

I suggest that we limit our religious beliefs on the OOC. In fact, strictly prohibit it. I say that religious matters are strictly personal, and should be handled via PMs.

It also goes for any situation that becomes heated. Once the conversation raise above normal parameters, it should then immediately be taken to PMs.

Any who do not comply with these rules will be subject to a PM warning from the GM. If the issue escalates, drastic measure may be taken. The GM is also subject to said rules, and if 2/3's of our total group votes, then there will be a PM council headed by the next most prominent member of the group. Once a majority vote (4 out of 5) is achieved, then the council will decide in favor for or against the accused.

@souleaterfan320

The problem with that is that democracy sucks. Also that it's a stacked deck. You're basically suggesting, not intentionally of course, that it should just be "Dark shut up."
Plus, like david so vehemently put it a year ago, religion is a huge part in the lives of most members here. I get where you're coming from, but with religious stuff I just don't agree it should be banned, and with heated stuff, the non-involved often help cool things to some degree.
Idk I guess. I just don't think it's a great change.

Myriad Reality

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David most likely knows the theological details about the difference between fortune telling and God's prophets better than I do, so if there'll be any debate at all, it'll be on his part.

@Balance

Again, "mysterious ways" and all that. I feel that if you can claim that a human elected government is backed by and in power due to god, then I can claim that he can use fortune telling to give messages or signs to someone.

Myriad Reality

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I'm really trying to be kind here by only saying my piece and being kind, but thanks for the sarcasm. I appreciate it. I'm not up for ill-willed argument masquerading as debate right now, so meh.

@Unhinged

I didn't intend it as sarcasm. I meant it as "you said it perfectly, so I'll use your wording."

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I don't know, I never really took your side much, and was too quick to judge you. I think you're actually a cool person. Although, I've learned (for the most part) not to bring religion up on here regardless, as things turn into a giant clustercrap. (Censored it for those who don't like curse words). It's not just you, but everyone here in general. I hate doing it, because it becomes this long debate, and leads to arguments, and I just want us all to get along.

@souleaterfan320

Lol, nobody takes my side much, if at all. Momentai. Besides, someone's feelings towards me should have no impact on my feelings towards a situation or topic.
And IDK, I like talking religion. I actively try to keep civil and kind but my personality and speech patterns work against that. I can see why you and spirit and sven think it's arguments, and the negative connotation that comes with that word, but I just see it as friendly debate or discussion. Or even friendly arguing, as long as we're careful around the touchy stuff, which we usually are at this point.
I do take offense to your censorship though lol. But it's yours to censor so whatever.

Myriad Reality

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I'm really trying to be kind here by only saying my piece and being kind, but thanks for the sarcasm. I appreciate it. I'm not up for ill-willed argument masquerading as debate right now, so meh.

@Unhinged

I didn't intend it as sarcasm. I meant it as "you said it perfectly, so I'll use your wording."

Myriad Reality

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-Ma'at- But getting out literally defeats the entire purpose. We--
-Aphrodite- Ma'at, darling, let me handle this. Coatlicue, we don't necessarily need to go out and defeat the Oblivion, or Baphumet, or anyone. We're just preparing for the possibility. The Codex are supposed to be united, in any case. Think of this as a wake-up call: there are great threats on the horizon, and if we aren't strong together, we'll be swept away.

@Mammalia

Coatlicue: Really? Because it sure sounds like you all are trying to put a target on the head of someone we've actively avoided since the birth of, and the most vocal one seems to be doing it because her "poor boyfriend didn't win." Personal feelings shouldn't have a place here.

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This is different. We're preventing a catastrophe by abnormality. This is not the way this is supposed to be. And, instead of doing something, you propose continuing to do absolutely nothing? Or do have some other lead? This is our only hope for survival, Coatlicue. Just know I'm not strong-arming you. You're free to leave if you want. But the future of the Codex is in jeopardy, and you're a part of this, whether you want to be one of the ones that tries to fix it or not.

@Unhinged

Coatlicue: An abnormality!? You're the oldest one here, I thought at least you would have a grasp of our history! I know you don't study it for a living like I do, but you should at least know the Oblivion was supposed to be the only one! The fact that there were sixteen is the abnormality! Or do you actually think that- ... *Takes a deep breath and exhales slowly* Nevermind. Sorry for freaking out, you probably weren't talking about that. I get it, I'm biased because I'm happy because someone did the completely impossible and made the Triggers into one thing, but even without that, it's not our job to target someone. And if we do, then what? What's to stop us from turning into a force like those counts or whatever they called themselves back a ruling classes? Us? No, if we start targeting things we don't like, that's it. Existence gets a despotic group that can't possibly be overthrown, and that is exactly what are job is, to prevent that. To prevent some group or entity or being or whatever else from unchangable control. You all are talking hypotheticals, so let's go to one bigger. We go out in force and kill someone who's not even a Codex or in danger of taking permanent rule of everything. Next thing you know, we're doing that to everyone we don't like and we become exactly what we're afraid of. *Sighs* I'm not going to be a part of that, and I'm sickened that anyone here is advocating we let Baphumet dictate our actions for us. It's not you you I'm worried about strong-arming anyone, it's her.

Myriad Reality

I've got to say though, dark, I'm surprised you took my side, then again, I do seem to get along with you well, as I do with the others.

@souleaterfan320

You are? What made you think I would be against you?

Myriad Reality

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They mean well. Don't take the rants as lectures toward you. Just know what you're getting into and try not to make that mistake again. It's not a good thing for a Christian to get in to, and I just want to tell you that without all the long rants or stern tones of voice.

@Galaxy Raider

To be totally fair here, all three of you are giving a literalist take to the word "christian" when it comes to how they should behave. Insert rant on sects, etc. >and I just want to tell you that without all the long rants or stern tones of voice.<

Myriad Reality

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Except we're not considering the prerequisites of some systematic study of demonology. The Bible clearly says that fortune telling is an abomination. "... anyone who practises divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens... is an abomination to the Lord." (Those ellipses are just there to shorten the text; it just lists a couple more things.)

@Mammalia

So the entirety of revelations should be thrown out then. For all we know, this particular reading was done with yhvh directly influencing the results. He works in mysterious ways after all, and it's pretty clear he has no ill feelings about using things considered bad for christians to get his plan.
If you want to look at it from a single theological view, fine, go ahead, but I'm going to give another view civilly while you give yours civilly. The worldly view is that they haven't been shown to produce results any better than a totally random selection, just like psychic card tests (forget the name atm) and the cross-theological view is that in order to get an accurate reading that actually warranted your reaction level, he'd have had to somehow come across someone in person who set things up that are incredibly unlikely to have been set up. :/ I get you're coming from the bible, but I'm trying to go from other places. Obviously I'm a bit more abrasive due to my personality, but ignore that :L

Myriad Reality

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What, about the reading?

@souleaterfan320

Yes. Give me the entirety if you can.

Myriad Reality

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-Ma'at- Because Baphumet might have made it our job. If she's killing us because we're not uniting against the Oblivion, then we have to unite against the Oblivion--or against Baphumet.

@Mammalia

Coatlicue: So you're going to let one member decide the course of everything? Sounds familiar. Oh, wait, that's what happened with the person you're trying to call us to arms against.

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It's high time we found a job. Indon't know about you, but I need something to do. The Triggers have been gone for a while now, and now that they're coming back, I'm going to do my job and take care of it. The Oblivion has to go. You're right, no one has watched the Moderators in a long time. So that, plus the fact that Triggers aren't around anymore anyways... We need a new purpose, and this seems like a good place to start to me.

@Unhinged

Coatlicue: Directly interfering in the life of the only remaining member of the group Yander's generation was created to not interfere with is a good place to start for you? Live too long or something, Brutus?
*Sighs* Do whatever you want, but I'm out. I won't be strong-armed into going directly against the last rule we've cared about following in the remembered past. If that's even why she's after us.