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ASTA said
That's fine and all, but I'm just going to say that being an ancient race does not encompass possessing weapons that can destroy entire solar systems. If there was a logical reason behind such technology, I'd concede, but at the moment it looks like senseless wanksauce buffoonery that was engineered to act as a power creep or something.If anything, why would a peace-loving species even have access to such destructive technology?

Read the history, the access to such destructive technology would kinda be why they are so peace loving: Because they fought each other to annihilation and even after, machines took up the fight and AIs battled until one remained because it had destroyed all trace of any of its enemy. I could just say that it was won through conventional means but from a narrative point of view I think it would be kind of a meh ending for this war.

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ASTA said
At the point fusion can no longer be maintained, the star dies. This process takes millions (if not billions) of years to pull off. What's the method your nation uses to accelerate this process?

The same which is used to achieve FTL, flying car or sustainable fusion reaction?

That's the thing with science, if you can prove something is doable and this breaks the laws of physics, you have to rework on your understanding of the laws of physics. What this means is that I'm not qualified to say how to make stars blow up, I don't even know if someone on earth is. I'm saying that it might be possible in the future and even if it is not, it's just a damn roleplay, so space magic.

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Well, I get the general opinion is 'Go fuck yourself' regarding this topic so I'm sure Asuras will take that into acount, jeeezus.

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ASTA said
The FTL bit is debatable.Causing something as massive as a star to go supernova requires such vast amounts of energy that it makes me wonder how your nation hasn't created full-blown pocket universes yet.

I'll have to say honestly I do not see the link between the two. Considering stars are confirmed for real things and the possibility of their death is real. It exists, it can die, its a matter of finding a way to speed the process. Pocket universes are debatably real and have no confirmed way to reach them. So that would be creating a place which potentially doesn't exist through a gateway which, assuming pocket universes exist, potentially do not.

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Theodorable said
The power to 'blow up' a solar system isn't feasible -- following the laws of physics, anyway. Xaxl, are you the one with the civilization that breathes Chlorine?

Turn in a dwarf, go into super nova. Following the rules of physics, a whole lot of things are not feasable, like FTL for example.

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Xaxl said
Blowing up solar systems is bullshit IMO. I don't care if its "locked up", if you have the capability to do that, you're way too powerful.

Bretty guud that's not for you to decide then, although your concern is noted. Still, 'Unless given permission too' implied that there's the pocibility for it. If it's refused, then nerfed it shall be. Still, this isn't my first rodeo so know it shan't be used abusively if used at all it would be.

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Xaxl said
Tier 1 civilizations are Forerunner-level. They're the guys who build artificial planets, wipe out stars, that sort of thing. Realistically, nobody here should be playing a Tier 1.

Xaxl said
Realistically, nobody here should be playing a Tier 1.

Xaxl said
Realistically

Mmmmwell...

The thing is I went on somewhere in my NS about how when my Great War went last phase things became quite ridiculous with the last AI, Zuhlo, winning through destroying entire solar systems or through casually deploying weapons of ridiculous size and scope. While not exactly 'Halo rings of doom' to wipe out all life in the galaxy, it's still a pretty damn huge step.

I think this would be 'Acceptable' considering the fact that it's locked away in a pandora box no one ever wants to see open, but I'd still require opinion(s) if its too OP as shit to be even there.

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Asuras said
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Well Asuras, I wasn't sure if my nation would count as a 1 or a 2. Mind taking a quick look at the history to tell me which one it is and if it would be on the level of a 1, if you like it or if I should nerf it?

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Theodorable said
But how will the proverbial Cold War have started in the first place?

I'd say before the Crayvens fell into civil war they'd have mostly been isolationist and seen as inconsequential although not a strategically sound target for an invasion. After the civil war and the destruction that came from it however, the Graal would indeed have taken notice of the capabilities of the Crayvens, but the Crayvens themselves would have taken interest in foreign affair, under the idea that inaction could lead to such a thing as a foreign power placing itself in a position to threaten the Crayvens which could, again, require to unleash Zuhlo.

So rather than watch a problem growing until it became impossible to manage, Crayven decided to adopt a doctrine of containment, allying itself with other minor powers and backing resistance and independence groups as long as they followed set Crayven principles such as democracy and equality, establishing both a buffer and trying to make the idea of a war seeming as too costly to be manageable and thus get peace even if it was through intimidation.

I'd say while the sphere of influence of the Crayvens would be larger than the Graal, it would be much less stable, many nations doubting of the willingness of the alliance to go to war as a whole if one of their members was attacked plus internal problems with adopting the policies of the Crayvens regarding equality in some nations, some people believing that even if it meant being a client state of the Graal as long as they conceded things like nobility birth rights then it was better than the democracy Crayvens endorsed.

Most likely the Crayvens would be extremely willing to keep wars small scale and by proxy if they cannot be avoided rather than creating a large one. The crayvens themselves not knowing if they'd actually defend their individual allies if the Graal were to declare a limited war.

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